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    February 23, 2003
    The Bronx Has Got a Lot, but Not a Grand Hotel
    By SETH KUGEL

    The Bronx has colleges and universities: Fordham, Lehman and Manhattan, to name a few. It has major health care institutions like Montefiore Medical Center and Albert Einstein College of Medicine. It has the Yankees. It has the Zoo.

    But it has no hotel.

    There are a few motels and motor inns here and there, many of which, local residents believe, are centers of prostitution and drug trade. And there was the storied Concourse Plaza Hotel. But that became a welfare hotel in 1968 and, in the early 70's, the city bought it and turned it into a residence for the elderly.

    Now, a community organization that has long tried to attract a replacement hotel is reviving the idea. Jesse Hamilton, president of the group, the South Bronx Resurgence Corporation, originally dreamed up the plan in the early 80's while writing a thesis on South Bronx redevelopment.

    "My whole concept was, how do you bring a borough close together?'' Mr. Hamilton said. "Where is the central place where events take place?"

    The poor economy is a large obstacle, but the effort got a lift last month with a new architectural plan, by the renowned firm Philip Johnson/Alan Ritchie Architects, that shows a 25-story hotel with 300 to 350 rooms. The plan is revised from one made in 1989, before Mr. Johnson joined the firm. The hotel would be in Mott Haven, over the Metro-North tracks on 149th Street, near the courts and Yankee Stadium.

    "It's a great location, where the train comes together," said Mr. Ritchie, referring to the 2, 4 and 5 stops and Metro-North lines. "This could really be a hub for development and growth of the Bronx."

    Mr. Hamilton and other supporters, including Raul Russi, the executive director of a nonprofit drug treatment organization and a commissioner of probation in the Giuliani administration, met last week with a Marriott vice president. But the company has taken no position on the idea.

    There are other hurdles. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which owns the air rights above the tracks, is not actively considering the proposal. The biggest question: who will pay at least $200 a night to stay in the Bronx, at least when the Yankees aren't in the World Series? Sequestered jurors and visitors to the universities and hospitals would be a start. But no market study has been done.

    Still, the planners are optimistic. "People are afraid to think big," Mr. Russi said. "But in New York, you've got to think big."


    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

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    149th Street Hotel
    Park Avenue between 144th and 149th
    25 stories
    Philip Johnson Alan Ritchie Architects
    Proposed



    February 5, 2003 *

    http://www.highbridgehorizon.com/eng...ronx_hotel.htm *

    Developer garners support for 149th Street hotel project

    By Steven Gnagni
    Managing Editor

    A project that would bring a 350-room hotel with a conference center, parking, and market-rate apartments is gathering support from local organizations and politicians, but still faces at least one major roadblock.

    The Downtown Bronx Resurgence Corporation (DBRC) proposed the hotel, to be built on top of Metro North’s Hudson and Harlem lines, on Park Avenue between 144th and 149th streets. Philip Johnson Alan Ritchie Architects created preliminary designs for the hotel. The architecture firm designed the Trump International Hotel and Tower on Columbus Circle and has worked on a range of projects, commercial and residential.

    The idea, said Jesse Hamilton, President of the DBRC, came out of a need for space for two neighboring institutions: Hostos Community College and Lincoln Hospital. The hospital needs more administrative office space, and the college wants more classroom space. The building would also include residences for doctors and a hotel school for Hostos Community College.

    In addition, there would be a 1,300 space parking lot, a 2,000 person conference center, a three story atrium, a rooftop restaurant, and a shopping center.

    Mr. Hamilton explained that the hotel would take three to four years to build after the group gains all approvals. The property needs to be rezoned—it is currently considered a manufacturing site—and Mr. Hamilton needs to secure financing.

    The main roadblock: Approval from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA), which runs Metro North. The MTA, which has air rights for the site, has blocked the project for years—Mr. Hamilton first proposed the hotel 20 years ago—and many think it will be difficult to get the MTA’s approval.

    “I hope it’s a successful project, but the MTA has continually stonewalled him,” said Jim Fairbanks, chief of staff for Helen Foster, the city councilwoman who represents the 16th district. “We support him, but how you move the MTA, I don’t know.”

    Despite his doubters, Mr. Hamilton remains positive.

    “I think the MTA went through a change of leadership, and a change of mission,” he said. “Our discussions have been frank and open about what their concerns are.”

    One possible way to convince the MTA: incorporate the MTA’s plan to create a Metro North stop near Yankee Stadium.

    But Mr. Fairbanks said the location may not be close enough to the stadium.

    “I don’t know—I would suppose that the closer you get to Yankee Stadium, the better you are,” he said.

    Even so, Mr. Fairbanks does see the economic potential. “That project would be a major uplift to the Bronx economy,” he said. “If he needs us to do anything, he can call us and ask us.”

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    old-school.

    Generally I don't get to excited with postmodernism, but this is Philip Johnson at heart, the father of postmodernism. And this is grand, fanciful, it looks like a palace.

    The Bronx and Philip Johnson have tried their hand at modernism, but IMO neither have suceeded. This however works.

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    What an atrocity. I hate to say this, but I hope this project is delayed long enough for a design change.

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    I don't think Johnson is the father of postmodernism (Jencks?).

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    I dunno...it's a great concept to build a grand hotel in The Bronx, but the design of that hotel is glitzy; possibly even tacky. *It's too Atlantic City for my taste.

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    It's better than no hotel.

    (Edited by DominicanoNYC at 9:49 pm on Feb. 24, 2003)

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    please!!!

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    Quote: from DominicanoNYC on 9:48 pm on Feb. 24, 2003
    It's better than no hotel.

    (Edited by DominicanoNYC at 9:49 pm on Feb. 24, 2003)
    And the design is slightly better than the Park Lane =P

    I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a hotel; but I'm not going to settle for something that would look better next to the Taj Mahal--and I ain't talkin' about the one in India.

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    What about using that hotel that was designed in 1908 for use on the Trade center site? Though is that were to be built outside of Manhattan I think it would go to either Brooklyn or most likely, Queens, considering their proximity to Midtown and Downtown.

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    I hold true to my Caesar's Palace comparison for the Sony/Chippendale Building, holding true maybe even more so with this Bronx hotel design. Maybe Philip Johnson/Alan Ritchie Architects should consider a merger with Wimberly, Allison, Tong, & Goo.

    Philip Johnson/Alan Ritchie Architects Bronx Hotel:



    Caesar's Palace, designed by Wimberly, Allison, Tong, & Goo ( www.watg.com ) :


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    Massive. 25 floors and 350 rooms. It's exactly what the Bronx needs. It may do for the Bronx what the ESB did for Midtown and the WTC did for Downtown. Screw all those low-rise motels and inns. We know what happens in those places.

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    Massive. 25 floors and 350 rooms. It's exactly what the Bronx needs. It may do for the Bronx what the ESB did for Midtown and the WTC did for Downtown. Screw all those low-rise motels and inns. We know what happens in those places.

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    Downtown Bronx Hotel
    Design Date: 1992, 2002.

    http://www.pjar.com

    The Bronx needs a project of such significance, just not this nostalgic eyesore.

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    It manages to look worse than the federal courthouse at 500 Pearl.

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