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Old April 19th, 2007, 08:34 AM
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Nation's Tallest Hotel Tower May Rise in N.Y.

By ELIOT BROWN
April 19, 2007


A developer has proposed building a 90-plus-story hotel near the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, people familiar with the plans say. The tower would be the tallest hotel in the country as currently planned, rising 980 feet.

The group proposing the tower, Extell Development, is one of three entities vying for a state contract to build a huge hotel on 35th Street and Eleventh Avenue.
The facility would serve the Javits Center, which is planning an expansion, and act as a key piece of the city and state's ambitious efforts to completely reinvent Midtown's far west side.

The other two developers, said to be the Moinian Group and FaulknerUSA, are proposing towers that would rise 58 and 70 stories, respectively. All three proposals, which include between 1,200 and 1,300 rooms, could be altered before the final bids are submitted.

The designs come as the state is seeking a hotel to accompany its plans for an expansion of the Javits Center, which has long been criticized as being too small to accommodate the city's needs for convention space. A 340,000-square-foot expansion was approved last year, though the new Spitzer administration is currently reviewing the proposal and is likely planning revisions.

A vice president at the real estate firm CB Richard Ellis who specializes in the hospitality industry, Jeffrey Dauray, said the area will have a tremendous need for hotel space as the surrounding area is developed.

"The Javits Center is really positioned to attract a significant amount of business with an expanded convention facility," Mr. Dauray said. "I really believe that hotel, serving as the convention center's hotel, will benefit from the demand that New York should provide."

The push for the hotel is but one item on a laundry list of giant projects planned for the area. The state will soon put out to bid up to 13 million square feet of residential and office space over the Hudson rail yards; the city is planning a $2.1 billion extension of the No. 7 subway, and developers are negotiating with the state over plans to build a giant mixed-use project comprising a stadium and rail station across from Pennsylvania Station.

The state had initially hoped to select a developer by March. A spokesman for New York's Empire State Development Corporation, Errol Cockfield, did not offer a timetable but said the state has asked developers to give more specifics in their proposals.

Numerous people familiar with the project said the state intends to strongly consider the need for subsidy from developers.

"What they told us is at the end of the day, the best financial plan is going to win," a land use chairwoman at Community Board 4, Anna Levin, said.
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Old April 19th, 2007, 08:37 AM
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Old April 19th, 2007, 09:47 AM
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Very exciting prospect. Yet, unless work commences on the 7 line extension, this will be the most remote major hotel in the city.
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Old April 19th, 2007, 09:55 AM
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^ True. They would never start construction on a hotel here until tunnels are being dug for the 7.

90 stories though, exciting possibilty. Even from Queens it would be likely look as tall or taller than all the midtown towers.
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any renderings? Interesting place for it...
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Old April 19th, 2007, 10:37 AM
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^^ I think there is a proto-rendering over at SSC.com.

As usual, the people over there over-estimated the height. I was all tuned up for 1200ft. However, 980 isn't bad, stick a flag pole on it and get an even 1000, call it a day.
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Old April 19th, 2007, 11:11 AM
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If this were Chicago, there is no question that the 980 foot tower would be selected. People will complain, however, that this proposal is too tall and will cast shadows, notwithstanding the fact that this area currently is a disgusting wasteland.

If Extell wins the bid and hires Portzamparc, this could be an utterly amazing project.
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Old April 19th, 2007, 11:48 AM
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The tallest hotel in the US is most likely to go up in Las Vegas.
Anyway, if they're smart this hotel across from the convention center won't be a straight up box like 99% of everything else here. This should be an attention-getting design to complement the expanded Javitz. If they build some 58-story bore, I'm sorry but it's not even worth the keyboard click to learn more about it. I don't expect 90+ floors without a miracle happening.
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The tallest hotel in the US is most likely to go up in Las Vegas.
Anyway, if they're smart this hotel across from the convention center won't be a straight up box like 99% of everything else here. This should be an attention-getting design to complement the expanded Javitz. If they build some 58-story bore, I'm sorry but it's not even worth the keyboard click to learn more about it. I don't expect 90+ floors without a miracle happening.
While I wish Barnett would preserve some buildings that he's razed, I do applaud his eagerness to build great projects. In my opinion, he hasn't built one yet, but I think that his proposals by Portzamparc for 57th Street and for the Trump site on the UWS will be masterpieces. Unlike a cheapskate like Macklowe, Barnett seems to want to build great towers that will do more than benefit his net income. Therefore, if Barnett is selected, and if the NIMBYS don't neuter his proposal as they did with Con Ed and the Atlantic Yards site, I think this will be awesome.
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I can really see alot of nimbys for this as that area is rather undesirable at the present.
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Let's hope Extell wins. If so, they may use Frank Williams as the architect (let's hope). If so, we may get something like:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?...focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?...focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?...focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?...focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?...focus=0&link=1
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^Slopes, setbacks, chamfers, actual spires...
would be nice. None of that will happen here. Just fill the envelope straight up, flatten the roof, add a pole on top, and you've got it.
Don't mean to be negative, but at this point Pollyanna is dead.
Whoever designs it, will be told "just max out the profit, it doesn't have to look unique, we already have location across from the Javitz so we won't have to try very hard."
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http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?...focus=0&link=1

wow, nice. very nice.
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^Slopes, setbacks, chamfers, actual spires...
would be nice. None of that will happen here. Just fill the envelope straight up, flatten the roof, add a pole on top, and you've got it.
Don't mean to be negative, but at this point Pollyanna is dead.
Whoever designs it, will be told "just max out the profit, it doesn't have to look unique, we already have location across from the Javitz so we won't have to try very hard."
I could see Moinian doing that (and hires Costas as the "architect"), but I have faith in Extell.
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Impressive!
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