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    Notice that the bottom image says "Phase 1" (which looks to be planned for 70' / 3 floors above the ground) and "Phase 2" (another 13 stories above that) ...

    It would be interesting to see if this were built in two separate construction phases ...

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    Glowing over growth, New School plans new building

    A concept design for a new
    New School academic building on Fifth Ave.
    between 13th and 14th Sts.

    The Villager
    By Lincoln Anderson
    Volume 76, Number 41
    March 7 - 13, 2007

    Saying its student population is steadily growing and that better facilities are needed, The New School is planning a new, bigger building at 14th St. and Fifth Ave.

    Jane Crotty, a New School spokesperson, said an image of the building that had been posted on real estate blogs like Curbed wasn’t released publicly by the school.

    “They took it out of [The New School’s] annual report of ’05,” she said. “That’s a concept, not a design.” The concept design, by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, features a vaguely Rubik’s Cube-like structure with seeming cutouts that would appear red by day and glow pink at night. In addition to doing the concept design in the annual report, SOM was hired in December to create the new building’s actual working design.

    Right now, however, Crotty said The New School is mainly “in fundraising mode” for the new project. But, she assured, the school will put up a new building and construction would start in about a year. The New School’s existing three-story building on the site would be razed. The replacement would be 12 stories, but the exact square footage and price tag haven’t been determined yet.

    The new building is needed, Crotty said, “because The New School is poised to grow. The need for the building to be replaced is driven by academic needs.”

    Primarily an academic building, it would include a theater on the ground floor. The theater space — with perhaps around 300 seats — would allow for holding talks and events open to the community.

    “They want to continue the tradition of lectures that they do,” Crotty said. “They want to continue the long history of community involvement.”

    As for the pink and red colors visible on the building’s exterior, and the exterior’s translucent quality, Crotty said this all could change from the concept plan, noting, “I don’t think they’re wedded to it.”

    “They want it to be light and airy, and there will be open areas for the student areas,” she said. “Since there’s no college green, you want these open spaces where students can mingle. This is like an indoors, urban-campus-type concept — a vertical campus.”

    Crotty said The New School has met with all the area’s local elected officials and Maria Passannante Derr, Community Board 2’s chairperson, to apprise them of the plan.

    “They’re all O.K. with it, because it’s on the avenue,” Crotty said. “And they’re talking about a building that’s inefficient and making it so it’s more in line to fit the academic needs of the university. I don’t want to say there’s no opposition to it — but we’ve been keeping everyone well informed.”

    On the school’s growth, Crotty said the student population has increased in the last two years, “significantly, by a couple of thousand.” The New School now has 9,300 full-time undergraduate and graduate students.

    In short, of the school’s expansion, she said, “There’s no top end — there’s increasing demand.

    “And don’t forget the continuing education, which is very, very popular,” Crotty added, noting that most New Yorkers, it seems, at one time or another, have taken a continuing ed class at The New School.

    The school offers 1,000 continuing-education classes to 25,000 adults each year.

    Having former Senator Bob Kerrey as its president has raised The New School’s profile. Kerrey — who was a member of the federal 9/11 Commission — held the commission’s hearings at The New School. He has also brought a steady stream of national political figures — such as Al Gore, John McCain and Ted Kennedy — to the school for events and conferences.

    © 2007 Community Media, LLC

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    I'm glad to see the existing POS razed, but the replacement is also S. It's not as putrid as Macklowe's new tower on 53rd and Madison though.

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    Default Meeting Today

    Try to come out and support good architecture as you see it. Don't let the NIMBY's have the final say on what this building will look like.

    Tonight at 6:00 PM at the New School

    Note from GVSHP about the meeting and their viewpoint . . .

    Dear friend,

    I urge you to attend a very important public meeting next Thursday, March 13 at 6 pm in the New School's Tishman Auditorium, 66 West 12th Street, regarding a proposal by the New School to build a large new building at the corner of 14th Street and 5th Avenue
    . This would be by far one of the largest buildings ever in our neighborhood, but certain aspects of the proposed development require variances, or exemptions from zoning regulations, in order to move ahead, giving us an ability to affect the final outcome.

    Background: The New School wants to replace its Albert List building at 65 Fifth Avenue with a new main campus building. Using air rights they are purchasing from adjacent properties, The New School intends to construct a building which would rise 300 feet straight up on 13th and 14th Streets and 5th Avenue, with another 50 feet of enclosed mechanical equipment set back above that. By comparison, the other three buildings around the intersection of 5th Avenue and 14th Street are between 130 and 170 feet tall . Current plans also show the proposed new building would also be almost entirely glass on the exterior.

    The site is not located within the Greenwich Village Historic District, nor does it have contextual zoning which would impose an absolute height limit, and the zoning does allow for a building of a fairly substantial size at this very prominent intersection. In other words, The New School can build a fairly large building of any design they like here without needing any public approvals.

    However, their particular building plan does require at least two zoning variances. The zoning for the site requires that a new building set back after a certain height rather than rising straight up for 300 feet as planned. The zoning also does not allow them to move bulk, including much of the air rights they are purchasing, from the eastern 1/3 of the site, which is in one zoning district, to the western 2/3 of the site, which is in another zoning district. To get these variances, The New School must, among other things, prove that they face a "financial hardship" which is not self-imposed, which requires them to violate the zoning for the site in order to fulfill the mission of the school. The New School has announced that they intend to file for their zoning variances in the fall, which would require public hearings and approval of the NYC Board of Standards and Appeals.
    GVSHP has consistently raised concerns about the project with The New School, including the all-glass facade, and the extreme massiveness of the proposed building, which would dwarf most buildings around it. The New School has responded to concerns expressed by GVSHP and others about their initial plan to have different colored lights projecting from the building by removing that element from the plan. However, the all-glass facade remains, and the estimated size of the new building has not only not shrunk, it has actually grown.

    In addition to attending the meeting, you can print out and post GVSHP's flyer about the meeting in your building or distribute it to neighbors, to ensure others know about and attend this very important public meeting.

    I hope to see you on the 13th.

    Andrew Berman, Executive Director
    Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation
    212/475-9585 x38
    232 East 11th Street
    New York, NY 10003

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    While I would like to see a non-glass building on this site, the people in the Village kill me nonetheless. That area has tons of horrific, filthy, white brick eyesores. It's hardly South Kensington.

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    Geez, I hope the New School came ready to play ball on this one. The Village NIMBY's are the fightin-est of them all.

    BTW, this building looks pretty ugly.

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    Ive seen renders for this, its interesting. Angled planes with glass between.

    NB it looks nothing like that render posted above from last year.

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    Considering that the building is as of right, I'm not quite sure what Susan Cramer is kvetching about.

    ‘Dorm it!’ says New School: Local stakeholders will meet with New School officials next week to learn more about the planned University Center at 65 Fifth Ave., between 13th and 14th Sts. The school has posted some information online about the project, which notably reveals that the building — smaller than a previous proposal — will no longer be only for classroom use. The new plan is to construct an 18-story building, of 336,000 square feet, with retail space on the first floor, academic space on the first seven floors and dormitory space on the remaining 11 floors. Unlike The New School’s earlier proposal, this building will be “as of right,” meaning no special variances will be required from the city, and is scheduled for September 2013 completion. In an e-mail about the project to neighbors, Susan Kramer, of the Village Residents Alliance, noted, “This will need careful evaluation by the community, especially since the bulk of its use has now changed to residential dormitory space from classroom space, thus giving this site 24-hour usage.” Jane Crotty, a New School spokesperson, said, “There is no design [for the building] at this time. SOM [Skidmore, Owings and Merrill] with Roger Duffy as the lead architect are in the process of creating a design. They are working with the New School’s University Facilities Committee.”

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    Architects Return With New Vision for New School's 65 Fifth Ave

    The New School's 65 Fifth Avenue has had its head on the executioner's block, so to speak, for a few months already. But still in question this whole time has been what structure will replace it. After the locals fought off the variances required for the original glass-'n'-glow design from Skidmore, Owings and Merrill, SOM took a time-out to reconceive the project as an as-of-right building. There are still no full architectural renderings, but the folks at the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation point out that some of the building schematics were revealed in a December 16 community presentation. And?

    Take a look >>

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    Demo has started on the old building.

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    Thanks for the update, Lofter. The new one looks crappy, but I still prefer it to what was there.

    Has demo started on any of the following:

    1. The Extell buildings on W 58th on the north or south side of the street; and/or

    2. PS 59 on E 57th?

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    No and No

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    Thanks for the update.

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    The New School to Build a Multipurpose, 16-Story Building
    Published: May 5, 2010

    The board of the New School approved plans on Wednesday evening to build a 16-story, $353 million University Center, the largest construction project in the university’s 91-year history in Greenwich Village.

    A computer rendering of the proposed plan for the New School’s 16-story, $353 million University Center. Bands of glass on the sides of the building will allow pedestrians to see students and faculty members circulate along corridors and stairwells.

    The unusual bronze-and-glass structure will house lecture halls, an auditorium, academic spaces, student lounges, stores and a 600-bed dormitory on the top nine floors.

    The unusual bronze-and-glass structure will rise on Fifth Avenue, between 13th and 14th Streets, and house lecture halls, an auditorium, academic spaces, student lounges, stores and a 600-bed dormitory on the top nine floors. Horizontal and diagonal bands of glass on the sides of the building will allow pedestrians to see students and faculty members circulate along corridors and stairwells.

    “It’s going to be the center of the university, a favorite gathering place for students and faculty,” said the New School’s president, Bob Kerrey. “This institution is in the midst of a transformation, amplifying its urban campus to serve degree-seeking students who now make up the majority of our enrollment.”

    The university’s board approved the project, which was designed by Roger Duffy, a partner at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, at a meeting on Wednesday. Construction is set to begin in August and finish in 2013.

    The New School project is the latest indication that education is one of the city’s biggest growth industries. Columbia University has received approval to build a $6.3 billion, 17-acre satellite campus in Manhattanville, while New York University recently unveiled plans to build as much as six million square feet of dormitories, academic buildings and a hotel over the next 25 years.

    But New School officials do not expect that their project will ignite the kind of bitter opposition from some community groups that Columbia and N.Y.U. have encountered. The New School, which typically bought or leased existing buildings for academic space, will be building atop a site it has owned for years, so the project does not require the condemnation of private property.

    The building on the site of what will be the University Center, a former department store that had been converted to academic space, is being demolished.

    The New School has also responded to some community concerns over its earlier designs for the University Center. The original proposal was larger, taller and “a little too office-buildingish for the neighborhood,” said Andrew Berman, executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation.

    “This plan has come a long way since the original 350-foot-tall design with an all-glass exterior and projecting multicolored lights,” Mr. Berman said. “While no doubt there will be issues with any new building of this size, especially one surrounded by residential buildings, the current scale and design is vastly preferable to what came before. We hope to continue to work with the New School as it considers its long-term plans and its evolution in our neighborhood.”

    Mr. Berman acknowledged that 14th Street is a “mishmash” of building styles and uses. The latest design conforms to the local zoning rules and therefore does not require a variance.

    Once known as a commuter school with an array of social science courses, the New School has expanded and refined its mission during Mr. Kerrey’s nine years in office. He has focused on expanding the school’s undergraduate programs, doubling the size of the full-time faculty and improving its fund-raising programs.

    Mr. Kerrey has also met with criticism from students and faculty who say that he has centralized power on campus and been more concerned with raising money than with academics.

    But there is little question that the university needs more space. It hired Skidmore, Owings to design a highly energy-efficient building that would allow for free-flowing connections between academic disciplines and social spaces. The New School originally wanted to include a performing arts center and athletic facilities, but they proved too costly.

    The New School brought in the Durst Organization to develop the University Center project. Douglas Durst, the company’s chairman, has built several highly rated green buildings and is a New School trustee.

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