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    Anything new on this?
    The website has been relaunched to pitch sales. This project is very much active. Anyone bold enough to call to find out the number of units sold and available?

    http://www.80southstreettower.com/80southst.jpg

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    Oriel Chambers

    14 Water Street, built in 1864, designed by Peter Ellis is one of the most significant buildings in the world. At the time of construction it was the tallest office building in the world and with its’ glass, curtain walls allowing light to flood into the interiors (this was the day of coal gas and candles) it foreshadowed the Modern Movement by many years.

    Before you all take a fruitless walk up and down Water Street I should tell you that this is 14 Water Street in Liverpool, not New York and I draw it to your attention for three reasons. Firstly, the close cultural links that existed (do they still?) between my home city and New York lead directly from this building to the skyscrapers of Chicago and Manhattan. 14 Water Street or Oriel Chambers, lies in the heart of downtown and two blocks away from Rumford Place, home of the Confederate Embassy during the civil war. At the time of its construction John Wellborn Root (1850-1891) was sent by his family to Liverpool to avoid the civil war (an early draft dodger!) and would have seen the construction of this and other Ellis buildings in the town. This brilliant architect, JW Root later went on to build the finest early skyscrapers in Chicago (i.e. The Rookery - 1885) incorporating many of Ellis’s ideas.

    My second reason for drawing 14 Water Street to your attention are the parallels which can be drawn between the reconstruction of your downtown and my (Liverpool) downtown and the fierce resistance and criticism experienced by those that wish to re-build and regenerate both. During each night of the month of May 1941, Liverpool was heavily bombed by the Luftwaffe suffering a 9/11 each and every night of that month. Throughout that war much of our downtown was obliterated and Oriel Chambers itself was badly damaged in the May blitz, although later repaired. Adjacent to Oriel Chambers is a vacant block where all the buildings were indeed destroyed by the bombing. Attempts have been made recently to put up an iconic skyscraper on this site; a Calatrava design such as has been proposed in your Water Street would be a magnificent and profitable addition to our downtown, although something in his “Twisting Torso” idiom I think would be more appropriate here. By now I hope you are thinking “63 years after the bombing and it’s still a bombsite?” and yes, unbelievably, 200 meters from the Town Hall, in the heart of downtown, it is indeed still a bombsite.

    The third parallel I want to draw is the one of preservation. Whilst no one is suggesting demolishing Oriel Chambers or our other precious old buildings to make way for modern development (and one hopes on your water front too) downtown Liverpool has this year been “awarded” UNESCO World Heritage Site status. The consequence of this is that the planners can use this to rigorously enforce a strict moratorium on tall structures.

    At the time of its construction and for 50 years after, Liverpool was the second wealthiest city in the world. In terms of it’s vibrancy it is similar still to New York but Liverpool today is one of the poorest city’s in Europe with eight out of ten working for the government and the highest level of income support claimants in the UK. There are those amongst us ready, willing and able to re-build our city despite almost insurmountable City Council and local government obstruction to tall buildings. When those of you who question such an outrageously modern building as Calatrava’s near your Water Street, whether on preservation of the nature of site or on economic grounds take heed of our Water Street where the worlds first skyscraper was built in 1864 but even 63 years after our downtown was obliterated by bombs, the adjacent block awaits rebuilding. After you’re the dreadful damage done in 2001 to your downtown, let this be a cautionary tale to you in New York; if conservative forces prevail, stagnation and poverty follow.

    One final parallel, Mr Sciame’s headquarters’ are on the barque Wavertree, a Liverpool ship, Wavertree being a borough of Liverpool.


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    It seems like this is one of many high profile buildings to come. Especially in residential buildings. People are banking on brand name archtecture when it comes to residential condos, often times delivered raw, meaning the buyer is paying that extra $200-$500 per square foot for the image of the building. Does anyone keeping tabs on or know of other high profile residential buildings in the works?

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    NY POST

    SEAPORT SKY CUBES GET OK

    By LOIS WEISS




    SEAPORT STUNNER: Santiago Calatrava's $35 million townhouse cleared a big hurdle, winning an approval from the New York City Department of Buildings.

    February 9, 2005

    THE construction of Santiago Calatrava's $35 million townhome cubes in the sky has received a "go" from the New York City Department of Buildings.


    We could almost hear the wood creaking at 80 Front St. as developer Frank Sciame jumped for joy at the news.

    Sciame's eponymous construction company owns and uses the current building for its own offices.

    This project, he said, will redefine residential living.

    "The price reflects both design and quality," Sciame said, "and it will be the most expensive residential tower in the city."

    Along with a concrete core and three elevators serving the 10 townhomes and two lower commercial units, each glass and stainless-steel cube will have its own internal elevator.
    The design calls for one cube's roof to become the outdoor garden for the cube above.


    An eight-story, 60,000 square-foot base will end up with a museum or other boutique arts attraction, while the commercial units are expected to be purchased by upscale office users — perhaps a law firm or hedge fund.

    The 12th cube tops out at 835 feet while an antenna will bring the entire structure to 1,000 feet. "It's both functional and aesthetic," Sciame said of the antenna. For stability, concrete piles are to be driven 190 feet into bedrock.

    Peter Claman of Schuman Lichtenstein Claman Efron acted as local architect to ensure Calatrava's unique spin on skyscraper living would pass the stringent city code.

    Sciame's construction firm helped construct Calatrava's own city townhouse and once he was hooked into the South Street Seaport development, Calatrava "took it to another level," Sciame said.

    "He took his entire structural engineering ability and architecture and arts background to design these."

    Sciame, who hopes to start signing sales contracts by April after state approvals are obtained for the initial offering plan, said the firm has had local and international interest.

    The company is also working with Adam Foster at CB Richard Ellis to buy or rent an "interesting" downtown headquarters of 20,000 to 30,000 square feet. "We want to remain downtown," Sciame added.



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    Terrific, when I first saw this proposal I never thought it would develop to this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stern
    Terrific, when I first saw this proposal I never thought it would develop to this stage.
    I'm really interested now in seeing what competition Gehry's nearby Beekman St tower will give in the "stylish new apartment tower" competition...

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    AWESOME NEWS! NY IS 'DA BOMB!

    By the way, it's interesting how Lower Manhattan's skyline is being changed via residential -- not commercial -- towers! But for the new Goldman Sachs (and, of course, replacements for the new WTC), there has been no new commercial development that I can think of for about a decade. (This is in very sharp contrast to midtown.)

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    I thought this thing was already approved???

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    I think this will be the greatest NYC building to be built since Citicorp Center, I see a semblance too, anyone disagree?

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    Default THAT'S what I'm talking about!

    Beautiful! Amazing! Stupendous! Awesome! This is exactly the kind of revolutionary skyscraper New York has been thirsting for. Bravo!

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    THIS IS GREAT! NYC is back on the cutting edge of architecture...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVNYC
    I thought this thing was already approved???
    Construction cannot start without approval from the Dept of Buildings
    They determine if construction plans meet building codes, zoning, safety, etc.
    They also issue a Certificate of Occupancy when the work is complete.

    Does anyone not like this building?

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    Oh ok, Thank you Zippy, I cant wait for this tower to rise!

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    Goodness. It was a good idea to make the bottom 2 cubes commercial, I thought it might be hard to find 12 buyers. Not necessarily for the financial part, but anyone who lived there would become a celebrity by residence if they weren't already.

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