Proposed - 52 West 57th Street - 25 story mixed use - by Fox & Fowle [Archive]

Derek2k3

May 12th, 2005, 05:51 PM

Thanks, Derek. Is the Fox & Fowle project on the site that I referred to earlier? Is there any information about it?
Yup, between Mangia and Rue 57.
This project use to be on the Fox & Fowle website a few years back and was aimed for a 2002 completion, but nothing really started and
the permit was discontinued. Now, new permits are out with the same architects, number of stories, etc.. I expect the design to be tweaked however.

52 West 57th Street
25 stories 365 feet (DOB: 336 ft.)
Fox & Fowle Architects
Dev-5657 Realty Corporation
Mixed-Use
213,227 Sq. Ft.
Proposed

http://www.pbase.com/archit_kderek2k3/image/43289265.jpg http://www.pbase.com/archit_kderek2k3/image/43289266.jpg
Fox & Fowle Architects

londonlawyer

May 12th, 2005, 06:29 PM

Great! Where did you get your scope? You could join Steve Cuozzo and Lois Weiss at the Post...

Fox & Fowle usually design nice towers.

It amazes me that such prime space has been so underutilized!

Fabrizio

May 12th, 2005, 06:32 PM

This is nice. I like the small town house facade in front. If this is nicely finished...maybe with limestone facing... it would keep the area´s elegant tone. I could image a chic luxury house like Dior or Chanel wanting to be there.

czsz

May 12th, 2005, 07:23 PM

It has an understated elegance. The "townhouse" facade does seem to clash a bit though. Is that the facade of the current structure on the site, or something new intentionally included in the design?

londonlawyer

August 31st, 2005, 11:50 PM

...This project use to be on the Fox & Fowle website a few years back and was aimed for a 2002 completion, but nothing really started and the permit was discontinued. Now, new permits are out with the same architects, number of stories, etc.. I expect the design to be tweaked however.

52 West 57th Street
25 stories 365 feet (DOB: 336 ft.)
Fox & Fowle Architects
Dev-5657 Realty Corporation
Mixed-Use
213,227 Sq. Ft.
Proposed

I walked by here tonight, and one of the little crappy buildings flanking the empty lot seemed to be altogether closed. Does anyone know if this project is moving forward?

londonlawyer

September 1st, 2005, 03:46 PM

I walked by here again today at lunch time, and everything is shuttered up. The crappy little building on the other side of the empty lot remains occupied though. Does anyone have any news on this project?

Edward

December 18th, 2005, 11:27 PM

The Mangia building is 50 West 57th, the building with the sign Plaza Deli I assume is the 52 West 57th, the empty lot 54 W 57th, and Carnegie Cards and Gifts is 56 W 57th. 18 December 2005.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/52w57/52w57th.jpg

lofter1

December 19th, 2005, 12:25 AM

^ a crappy little line-up, eh?

macreator

December 19th, 2005, 02:03 AM

^ a crappy little line-up, eh?

Indeed. Its amazing that we have such crap and a vacant lot on 57th street of all places.

LeCom

December 19th, 2005, 03:07 AM

Nice infil.

antinimby

December 19th, 2005, 09:17 AM

Indeed. Its amazing that we have such crap and a vacant lot on 57th street of all places.I think many people are just as surprised, too. Notice the pedestrian couple in the above picture looking at the empty lot as well.

kliq6

December 19th, 2005, 10:22 AM

mix use of what type of project?

lofter1

December 19th, 2005, 10:59 AM

Per the renderings posted: The height of the windows on the lower 8 or so floors would indicate commercial / institutional with residentail on the upper 17 or so floors.

Fabrizio

December 19th, 2005, 01:55 PM

Will you guys help me out here? This is between 5th and 6th on the south side? I´m wondering if there was once something nice in those store fronts. West 57th was once filled with art galleries (along with Madison) before Soho took over in the 70´s... art galleries, art supply shops, framing... stuff like that. The big glass second floor windows might indicate that. Also: what is the brick building next to the "Plaza Deli"?

My hope for the new building is limestone front... some super luxe fashion house or jewelry shop on the ground floor. A classy restaurant would be great too.

I´m wondering also if the above rendering is final or if it has been revised since. It does look nice though...with it´s "city scape" facade on the lower floors...sort of a montage of small buildings.

vc10

December 19th, 2005, 10:12 PM

Indeed. Tear it all down.

^ a crappy little line-up, eh?

londonlawyer

January 2nd, 2006, 07:59 PM

I just walked by this site and noticed that the store in the small building just west of the empty lot has a sign which says that it's closing. Hopefully, the owner of the lot and 52 W 57th has acquired the other shit.ty building and these two eyesores (together with the empty lot) will be developed. The rendering of the Fox and Fowle tower seems to indicate that both of the crappy little buildings and the empty lot would be occupied and the new building would be adjacent to the building with Rue 57 on the West and with the Mangia on the East.

jeffpark

January 2nd, 2006, 08:13 PM

will the development go thru to the south all the way to 56th street,
and what about the building on the corner at 6th avenue between 56th and 57th street

londonlawyer

January 2nd, 2006, 08:25 PM

I assume that part of the new tower would go to 56th Street because the rear portion of the lot is on 56th.

With respect to the building on 6th, I assume that you're referring to the huge white brick coop on 57th and 6th, and sadly, it will not be demolished.

jeffpark

January 2nd, 2006, 08:36 PM

hoo is the developer
and by the way as i worte on a nother forum
"fox and fowle" are so so architect even thal they have done for durst
a lot of the times sq developments but the boa tower is nothing nice
they should have hired foster or the greatest architect in the world cesar pelli
just look what he did in the 80's with the world f center
and the bloomberg tower
he should hace beeb hird togther with foster by silverstein to do the new world trade center

londonlawyer

January 2nd, 2006, 08:50 PM

I think that the B of A is one of the best looking buildings under construction anywhere. Fox and Fowle designed a lot of nice towers in Times Square.

jeffpark

January 2nd, 2006, 09:19 PM

the only reason the ny times building looks good is becouse
"Renzo Piano".

(2) som and kps which did zuckerman's =boston's properties= building's
times sq tower 5 and 7 are way nicer then durst's 2 building's
plus look at lahmanas brothers building that kps did 505 fifth.

(3) cook and fox i will admit have done a few nice smaller buidings for
dr alax ,, at madison and fifth even thal he usd kps for 505
and final "fox and fowle" are not good for very large developments

pianoman11686

January 3rd, 2006, 08:02 AM

Cook and Fox designed Bank of America, not Fox and Fowle. And by your logic, Fox and Fowle should be able to design this building, because it is not a large scale development, like Bank of America.

jeffpark

January 4th, 2006, 07:46 PM

I was by there today,
and I was wondering will they also take down
“50 west 57th” this is the building closer to “5th avenue

jeffpark

January 4th, 2006, 07:57 PM

i just google'd it and it looks like
"steven ross" vornado realty is buying it from "harry macklowe"
maybe he (ross) will demolish "50 west 57th" and buy the other developments site 52 54 and 56
and make a much larger development site?

http://www.nypost.com/realestate/comm/58585.htm
By LOIS WEISS
Between The Bricks
</SPAN>

Vornado Realty Trust is making a meal of 50 W. 57th St., where Mangia holds down the retail.
Sources tell us the real estate investment trust — which also developed Bloomberg's headquarters building — is buying the petite, 80,000-foot office building from Macklowe Properties for about $52 million. Gang Green — a.k.a. the New York Jets — and fashion leader Prada both have offices in the building. Scott Latham, Jon Caplan, Richard Baxter and Ron Cohen of Cushman & Wakefield have been hawking the property and declined comment as did Macklowe Properties and Vornado.

londonlawyer

January 4th, 2006, 08:09 PM

pianoman11686

January 5th, 2006, 09:18 AM

More activity nearby:

ART DECO BEAUTY MAY FETCH $50M

By LOIS WEISS

January 4, 2006 -- BETWEEN THE BRICKS

THE gold-leafed 14-story building at 29 W. 57th St. may be overshadowed by its tall swooping neighbor at No. 9, but it still has plenty of architectural and historical nuggets that should warrant an intriguing, $50 millionish purchase.

Owned by a company called European Investors, the early Art Deco property was developed in 1924 by American Piano.

Back in the 1800s, long before iPods, pianos, organs and other such instruments were becoming mainstays in people's parlors, which were their family rooms, piano makers vied for medals and honors, as they showed at fairs and expositions around the world.

In 1867, piano maker C. Frank Chickering was awarded the Imperial Cross of the French Legion of Honor by Napoleon III.

It should not be a surprise then that the company splashed a replica on the top of their building designed by Cross & Cross, especially when rival Steinway could seethe from its own 57th St. edifice, a block to the west.

There are also marvelously detailed gold-leafed caryatids — columns adorned with female faces.

Now we hear, this 94 percent leased office and showroom building is coming on the market by the end of this month.

A Cushman & Wakefield trio of Scott Latham, Richard Baxter, Ron Cohen and Jon Caplan will handle the deal.

"You are buying cash flow and the future will be in the retail space," said Baxter of a below-market Bolton's ground-floor lease.

"There is always the potential to upgrade, and there is the possibility of future residential conversion."

According to CoStar Group, asking rents for its handful of small spaces is $58 to $60 a foot through Cushman & Wakefield.

Among its shiny treasures is space leased to Swarovski, which creates the giant snowflake that sparkles over Fifth Ave. each holiday season.

Copyright 2006 The New York Post

jeffpark

January 5th, 2006, 07:30 PM

i think the building next to it along 6th ave bet 57th and 58th
easdill is selling the retail condo for $35. million
what is that building is it a condo building?

jeffpark

January 5th, 2006, 07:30 PM

sorry its bet 56th and 57th

kz1000ps

January 5th, 2006, 11:40 PM

What is "easdill" ?

Could you maybe proofread your posts a bit more? I've had trouble reading others too. No offense meant at all, thanks.

jeffpark

January 6th, 2006, 02:57 AM

get a life

vc10

January 6th, 2006, 03:34 AM

No, he's right. Respect your audience.

get a life

kz1000ps

January 6th, 2006, 11:17 PM

get a life

Look, your spelling, punctuation and grammar are horrible ("hoo" is spelled "who") on a board where posters write near flawlessly (something we pride ourselves on - we don't want to become SSP). If you are that incredibly busy, or english just isn't your native language, Ok, but otherwise you're the anomaly here, and you won't be around for long if that's how you respond to a suggestion that, I admit, might be sensitive to you, but that's why I wrote no offense - it was just a polite suggestion. You seem reasonably knowledgeable too, so I'm not sure what to make of the outburst and lack of respect.

After a quick Google search, I found out what easdill (eastdil) is, and I was unaware of the company beforehand. I didn't mean to be a smart ass asking about it.

Fabrizio

January 7th, 2006, 06:55 AM

Jeff: Also consider the great effort the non-native English speakers here put into their posts... and how botched English only causes confusion for them.

jeffpark

January 7th, 2006, 07:38 PM

You never heard of the real estate broker Douglas Harmon of eastdil.?
Then you must not know much about real estate,
Did you ever hear of Darcy and bill of cbre, Woody Heller of Studley?
These are some of the broker's in NYC that handle the large investment sales deals

czsz

January 8th, 2006, 12:05 AM

This isn't exactly a real estate executives' forum, necessarily.

I don't even see those names batted around often on real estate blogs like curbed.com.

kz1000ps

January 8th, 2006, 09:44 PM

You never heard of the real estate broker Douglas Harmon of eastdil.?
Then you must not know much about real estate,

I admittedly don't know much about the players in real estate. As czsz said, and as you can witness, this place doesn't focus much on that aspect other than specifically who is building what big project. Primarily I think most of us are viewing things through a designing/building perspective rather than finance/politics, but don't quote me there. And I'll readily admit maybe that's where I could do better around here at understanding the big picture. But, I first found this place due to my love for architecture, and that's ultimately why I keep coming back.

jeffpark

January 8th, 2006, 10:41 PM

then who do you think is the best architect today

kz1000ps

January 9th, 2006, 02:28 AM

I don't know about the overall absolute best, but I know I like Robert A.M. Stern. I'm a musician, so I like harmony in my surroundings. 15 CPW is probably the building I'm waiting most eagerly to see completed (BOA and NYT are in close second and third, respectively).

jeffpark

January 27th, 2006, 01:05 PM

who is the developer for this (52 west 57th) development

londonlawyer

January 27th, 2006, 06:28 PM

It's not even clear if this is going forward. This project has been on the drawing board for a long time, and I'm surmising that it may be going forward because the store on the ground floor of the adjoining building (next to the empty lot) just closed. I hope that it goes forward because the two seemingly empty five story buildings and the empty lot between them are eyesores, and they really mar 57th Street.

londonlawyer

May 22nd, 2006, 03:25 AM

I noted that the Gertrude Stein Gallery, which seemed to be the last business left in No. 56 West 57th, has finally relocated from that building. 52 and 56 West 57th Street now are both totally empty to my knowledge and ready for demolition! I cannot wait to see the destruction of these horrific eyesores.

Although residential is the rage these days, this could be developed as a magnificent office building that would probably rent at well over $100 per square foot. I read that space in the Carnegie Hall Tower further west on 57th was renting at $125 per square foot. A Shangri-La hotel would also be nice!

http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/52w57/52w57th.jpg

jeffpark

May 22nd, 2006, 09:57 AM

do you think the developer will take down the building to the East at
50 W 52nd and make way for a larger dvelopment?

londonlawyer

July 23rd, 2006, 07:14 PM

I wonder what's going on here. No. 52 has been empty for a long time, and the last tenants in No. 56 (i.e., the crappy card shop on the ground floor and Gallery Getrude Stein) have been out of the building for a few months. I assume that the same entity owns Nos. 52 and 56 and the empty lot between them located at No. 54. A boutique office building here could probably get $150 per s.f. easily (and over $200 for top floors with views of the park).

macreator

July 23rd, 2006, 11:22 PM

It's a very depressing sight to see a through-block empty lot in the heart of the Midtown market. Add in the abandoned store fronts and it's dismal. This site needs to be developed into a boutique office tower, as londonlawyer suggests, ASAP. Something on the level of 9 West 57th Street (just down the block) or Carnegie Hall Tower would be fantastic.

Unfortunately, I assume condo-mania will take the lead and turn this site into an average looking, ill-proportioned, crappy glass-veiled, residential tower.

It's destiny, such a fantastic site just can't be turned into a befitting piece of architecture worthy of the 57th street corridor. Because today, you can call any 500 sq ft hole in the wall a "luxury residence" as long as it has a GE Profile refrigerator and perhaps a Miel oven. Don't forget the Toto toilet ;)

londonlawyer

July 23rd, 2006, 11:29 PM

The only reason why nothing might be happening here is that different entities own the three parcels and are all trying to buy the others' properties. A boutique office, condos or a very fancy hotel would thrive in this location. Also, it's in such a prime spot that whatever is built probably will be very nice. I doubt a Costas Condylis building (befitting 10th Ave.) would rise here. Something by Robert A.M. Stern would be nice.

jeffpark

August 29th, 2006, 12:40 PM

,

It's destiny, such a fantastic site just can't be turned into a befitting piece of architecture worthy of the 57th street corridor. Because today, you can call any 500 sq ft hole in the wall a "luxury residence" as long as it has a GE Profile refrigerator and perhaps a Miel oven. Don't forget the Toto toilet ;)[/quote]

GE is bottom of the line,
in the new hi end Condo Building's were talking about a Sub-Zero Refrigerator and a Wolf or Viking oven's
and POGGENPOHL or POLIFORM/Varenna kitchens

pianoman11686

January 6th, 2007, 11:54 PM

Lot's still empty. What gives?

londonlawyer

February 17th, 2007, 01:20 AM

I looked at Nos. 52, 54 and 56 West 57th Street on propertyshark, and they all seem to be owned by the same entity, 5657 Realty Corp. Since the buildings are empty, I wonder why no development is occurring. Jeff Park posted something about Vornado developing an office tower on 57th. They own 50 West 57th next door which is a beautiful building. I'd hate to lose it.

Ansky99

June 12th, 2007, 02:38 PM

Any update on this site? Is there a new forum for this topic? The Department of State lists SCHOEMAN, UPDIKE & KAUFMAN, LLP. as a C\O for 5657 REALTY CORP.

londonlawyer

August 11th, 2008, 12:11 AM

Has the demise of these pieces of garbage finally come? The DOB website shows that an application to raze No. 56 has been filed, and applications for "facade repairs" recently were filed for No. 52.

http://michaelminn.net/newyork/Urban_Renewal/Midtown/56_West_57th/2007-09-22_08-48-39_thumbnail.jpg

lofter1

September 27th, 2008, 08:28 PM

antinimby

September 28th, 2008, 04:44 AM

He's out of lotion. Used up the whole bottle just on Sarah alone. Spit works, too.

londonlawyer

September 28th, 2008, 09:31 AM

LL: Get out the lotion ...

Sidewalk shed and scaffolding have gone up at 56 W 57 (pic below).

Demo (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=9&passjobnumber=110209881&passdocnumber=01) Permit issued 8.18; work here should start soon.

*

Lofter,

Thanks for the update! This is awesome news. This site is on my top 25 list of my most hated parcels in Manhattan. Hopefully, this prime site won't be wasted like the time share hotel that's rising on 57th St. I hope that it gets a limestone gem like the one Pei designed on 56th St.

I wonder if the white, brick POC on the corner is a rental. I'd love to see it razed too.