Chicago Reaching for the Sky

[stache]

There's no point in being bitter about this.

[NewYorkDoc]

Grant Park 3 and the Waldorf Astoria are simply amazing!

[lbjefferies]

There's no point in being bitter about this.


Who is bitter? I do think it's funny however, that this silly little list, obviously meant to surprise people, has some people from Chicago positively giddy. I think this is the second time in as many days someone has referenced it to prove that Chicago not only compares with New York, but compares favorably. It is a "study" that, in fact, is quite easy to ignore.

[stache]

If only the same were true about you. ;)

[BVictor1]

Who is bitter? I do think it's funny however, that this silly little list, obviously meant to surprise people, has some people from Chicago positively giddy. I think this is the second time in as many days someone has referenced it to prove that Chicago not only compares with New York, but compares favorably. It is a "study" that, in fact, is quite easy to ignore.

Only people who don't agree with it think it's a
silly little list.

People in Chicago are mostly indifferent to the list and if you click the link posted, you'll be able to read comments that people have posted. As you can see by actually reading the article, it's referring design, planning and architecture not what city is better overall than another.

[lbjefferies]

/\/\/\

I clicked the link, and I'm sorry I wasted the time. The rankings seem to be be based on categories chosen by blindfolded pigeons. And in spite of the fact that New York destroys Chicago in nearly every measurable way, they went with the massive upset because the air quality is better and Chicagoans seem less cynical about their built environment. Rah rah rah!

[BVictor1]

Yeah, well you're just one of several haters on this board.

And while you may not take much stock in the survey, I'm sure that there are other's who will do the same thing about your opinion.

[stache]

^ White man speaks truth!

[BVictor1]

One Museum Park

07/02/08
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629851.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629852.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629854.jpg

[Alonzo-ny]

I pray for the day a sensible NY comparison with Chicago discussion takes place, if you dare to speak out against this list, which is being treated as if it was recieved on Mt. Sinai by the way, you are just a hater? Give me a F-ing break.

[BVictor1]

^^

Now you know good and well how many people on this forum trash Chicago.

Whenever a positive article comes out, someone has something to say.

I didn't say that the list was written in stone like the 10 Commandments, but an occasional ounce of respect and the occasional admission that Chicago might actually do something better than New York would be nice.

[BVictor1]

300 North LaSalle

07/02/08
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629863.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629858.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629860.jpg

[lbjefferies]

I love the glass on that one.

[stache]

Yes, it is nice.

[TREPYE]

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/07/629852.jpg


The massing is awesome. Well proportioned, unlike some of the stupid disproportioned massings we endure here in NYC; a la 1 chase plaza, 55 water, 1 penn plaza, or the prospective (just grotesque) 4 WTC.

[lbjefferies]

/\/\/\

I was thinking the exact opposite. I think it is absolutely awful. In fact, I am baffled by the fact someone can actually think it isn't awful. This is a heaping pile of excrement next to 1 Chase. It's every bit as bad as 55 Water.

[Jake]

an occasional ounce of respect and the occasional admission that Chicago might actually do something better than New York would be nice.

I quite like Chicago's skyline and I don't really think the two cities are comparable due to the completely different setup of financial districts and land shape. So here, I'll admit it, Chicago does do some things better than New York and most of us fully respect Chicago.

I don't really see the point of "trashing" any city in the US, this isn't the 19th century with some kind of fanatic support for one's city, many of us have lived in other cities besides New York and Chicago anyway.

And the the poster above, I don't think you'll find much love for One Chase Manhattan Plaza on this forum. I think some see it as an abomination. haha

[Derek2k3]

/\/\/\

I was thinking the exact opposite. I think it is absolutely awful. In fact, I am baffled by the fact someone can actually think it isn't awful. This is a heaping pile of excrement next to 1 Chase. It's every bit as bad as 55 Water.

It's far from perfect but comparing it to 55 Water Street is a bit extreme.

[BVictor1]

Conservatory Tower
Chicago, Illinois
Conservatory Tower aspires to set a precedent for environmentally sensitive tall buildings in Chicago’s urban context. The 1.1 million sf project is composed of two distinct yet complementary components, a conservatory or enclosed winter garden, and an 80 story hotel and condo tower rising above.
The 28,000 sf winter garden is enclosed by a high efficiency glazing system, protecting a lush landscape and occupants from inclement weather, noise and air pollution, while optimizing natural air ventilation. The tower’s thin profile makes full use of natural light, while minimizing heat gain during summer months and shadow effect on neighboring spaces. Natural light can reach the interior spaces, reducing energy consumption year round. Topping the tower is a Sky Garden containing a number of condominium amenities and an enclosed garden.

http://www.scb.com/images/project/415/Conservatory_Tower_071108_22x34_Page_1.jpg

http://www.scb.com/images/project/415/Conservatory_Tower_Base1_Page_2.jpg

[BVictor1]

300 N. LaSalle

08/02/08
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637383.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637384.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637385.jpg

[joe25]

I'll admit that something in the way of improvement to the existing plaza would be greatly welcome, but I really am not fond of this proposal for a second skyscraper on the Sears Tower site. In particular, the such sharp juxtaposition of designs just looks unpleasant. Also, it destroys a perfectly good (and quite common) street-level vantage point of Sears Tower. I think I'd need to see some other renerings before making a final judgment of its aesthetic merits however.

--Randall

Not to mention, killing the view for some people in the sears tower

[SolarWind]

August 6, 2008

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/300/dscy0083zk8.jpg

[NYC4Life]

It's facade matches the color of the Chicago River.

[BVictor1]

Not to mention, killing the view for some people in the sears tower

That's at the bottom rung of importance.

[NYCboy1212]

NYC comes back

[Kris]

NYCboy, welcome to the forum.

This thread is about Chicago highrise development. Please stay on topic.

[Zephyr]

http://www.chicagomag.com/images/logo.gif

http://www.chicagomag.com/images/DE_Plate.gif


Aug 20, 2008
Housing Bulletin—Good News for Chicago Condos
By Dennis Rodkin

With all the reports (including many from Deal Estate) about a vast inventory of unsold condos, it’s a surprise to learn that urban condos are the best-performing part of Chicago’s six-county real-estate market. In the latest release of local market information by the Illinois Association of Realtors (IAR), the median price of a home dropped in five counties and stayed flat in Cook County. The declines ranged from 1.9 percent in Lake County to 12.4 percent in McHenry County.

But that August 13th IAR report, which compares data from the second quarter of 2008 to the same period in 2007, separated condo sales from single-family home sales—and the difference was dramatic. In April, May, and June of this year, condos in Cook County sold for 9.6 percent more than they had during the same months in 2007. Single-family homes sold for 12.3 percent less. (The report does not separate Chicago condos from condos in other parts of Cook County, but by far the largest share of condos is in the city — and sales of condos in the city probably helped account for the fact that home prices in Chicago were up 5.1 percent in the second quarter.) So while there may be way too many condos for sale in the city—a report out Tuesday from Appraisal Research Counselors said that downtown Chicago neighborhoods alone had 5,867 unsold condos in the second quarter—they are, for now, the rare part of the real-estate market where the arrow points upward.

Jim Kinney, the president of Rubloff Residential, suggests that significant changes at both ends of the price ladder are making this happen. Because mortgage lending has tightened up, Kinney says, the number of first-time buyers has plummeted. “They’re not dragging down the middle of prices,” he explains. At the same time, some of the big-ticket downtown condo buildings have come online, delivering on sale contracts that were written as much as two or three years ago. That means both the lower and the upper ends of the price range are rising—leading to a higher middle.

During the second quarter, several new condo buildings had sales for $1 million or more, which exerted a strong upward pull on the median price. They included 505 McClurg Court (AKA, the Parkview); 600 North Fairbanks, a Helmut Jahn design; 310 South Michigan, the old Encyclopedia Britannica building; 600 North Lake Shore Drive; and 420 East Waterside. “Delivery of these higher-end buildings skews the [overall] price,” Kinney notes.

One building in particular—340 on the Park, which overlooks Millennium Park from the north side of Randolph Street—played a big role in lifting the area’s aggregate condo price. From April to June, there were nine sales there for $1 million or more, according to Midwest Real Estate Data. That’s down from 14 sales in the prior quarter, so the boost provided by this one building may be diminishing. (So far in the third quarter, there have been five sales over $1 million in the building.)

How long will condos maintain this upward momentum? Hard to say, but Appraisal Research Counselors’ new report provides two indicators. The report notes that 2008 will turn out to be the peak for new downtown condo deliveries, with a small drop in 2009 and very little other than the Chicago Spire set to deliver in the three years after that. But the $7,500 tax credit for first-time homebuyers in the new federal housing stimulus package may bring back a crop of first-time, low-price condo buyers. That would be a good thing, of course, because it would move some lower-priced inventory off the market. But on the negative side, it would lower the aggregate price of all area condos sales.


Copyright 2008 Chicago Magazine (http://www.chicagomag.com/Radar/Deal-Estate/August-2008/Housing-Bulletin-Good-News-for-Chicago-Condos/)

[spyguy999]

Not the tallest or the greatest building, but fairly nice for a pretty inexpensive hotel.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5429/withotelu.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7493/35820190031d76592acfo.jpg
Photo credit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26554581@N00/3582019003/)

[stache]

I like it!

[spyguy999]

^Yes, it's called Roof.


Sitting atop TheWit hotel on the 27th floor, Roof is chicago’s unparalleled stargazing destination. A 7,000-square-foot glamorous, year-round indoor/outdoor lounge, Roof offers stunning city views, roaring fire pits, handcrafted cocktails, live music, and most exhilarating of all: a suspended, glass-enclosed table for eight that literally dangles 27 floors above the city.

[scumonkey]

nice-Sure beats getting a McSam!

[spyguy999]

300 N LaSalle (completed)
From Pickard Chilton:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8255/40553586.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1791/11228835.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1920/36550220.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1552/48921612.jpg

From Kendall Heaton:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4595/25239028.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8335/96597565.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7416/55350040.jpg

[stache]

Too bad about the Waterview - :(

[Luca]

Even realizing the extremely flattering choice of light conditions, etc., I have to admit that the La Salle building looks pretty good. After all the deconstructed/funny shape sh!t of these years, all of a sudden a relatively simple 'box' looks... clean.

[ablarc]

A return to the classics.

Or is it the basics?

Oh ... they're the same thing.

[Alonzo-ny]

It would be better if it rose straight up next to the river like its neighbour.

[Reaktor 4]

What is with the excessive amounts of city bashing in this thread?

As a resident of Chicago whose partner in crime lives in NYC, I can say that both are wonderful cities, with their own wonders and flaws. They're very unique cities and I wish there was more of a camaraderie between them, rather than harsh competition.

New York is an amazing city, with an energy that can be felt upon arrival, and a style that is unique to itself. To hold Chicago up to comparison is like criticizing a horse for not flying. The presence of tall buildings does not mean they should be viewed as warring tribes. Neither city is better than one or the other. They are different cities, both with similar qualities, but still different, and they are both equally worthy of being appreciated.


I apologize that my first post on this forum is aimed at a topic that has been derailing this thread, but I just felt this was important to say.

Think of it this way: By hating upon another cities development, you basically become a friend of that cities NIMBY douche-lords. Redirect the hate to our common enemy!

[stache]

I have lived in both and NY is better.

[spyguy999]

From SCB:

50 E Chestnut
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5166/49215214.jpg
Parkview West
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2465/25456670.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8565/67627955.jpg

[spyguy999]

Spertus Museum

Krueck + Sexton:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7413/86830143.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9128/15157694.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3360/61014294.jpg

[Alonzo-ny]

The NYC v Chicago topic hasn't been active for a long time now. If you really need to re-awaken it there is a thread with that title, don't use this one.

[Reaktor 4]

Was hardly reawakening the topic. I think stache's remark goes more to that effort than mine.

[stache]

Try not to get your panties in a twist about it, and welcome to the board.

[OmegaNYC]

^^^ Ouch.....

[Reaktor 4]

Try not to get your panties in a twist about it, and welcome to the board.

Shhhh

[Alonzo-ny]

Great picture by cbotnyse at SSC:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/my%20photos/Image13.jpg

[spyguy999]

BCBS - 25 story vertical addition - 743 ft
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3900/4027813931f20e0cc354b.jpg
Laurie Chipps/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluebike/4027813931/)

[Derek2k3]

743'?
The building must be massive and its neighbors must be quite tall also.

[lofter1]

The additional 25 stories looks to be a view killer for those who bought up high in the Aqua:

AQUA - Chicago - by Studio Gang Architects (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16554)

[BVictor1]

The additional 25 stories looks to be a view killer for those who bought up high in the Aqua:

AQUA - Chicago - by Studio Gang Architects (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16554)

Not really. It was never a secret that BCBS was going to be adding 25 more floors. In fact, there is a tower planned for the space betweenAqua and BCBS that might have a school at the base. This is one reason why the balconies were designed the way they were, to help maxamize views.

[Citytect]

How much do you think the wave pattern balconies help to maximize views? Can't be much and only if you're standing on the railing. Sounds more like a marketing ploy to me.

[wrab]

How much do you think the wave pattern balconies help to maximize views? Can't be much and only if you're standing on the railing. Sounds more like a marketing ploy to me.

S/G mapped out the view corridors of the tower very early on in the project, using city models and string to determine the primary and secondary sightlines and then sculpting the balconies accordingly. The balconies really do bump out the footprints of the units.

For instance, a south-facing unit on the 60th floor that would otherwise only allow views of the BCBS tower in front of it might now gain a view of Grant Park or of the Lake. The balconies have been placed to allow sightlines between buildings and/or at oblique & right angles.

One does of course need to be on the balcony to get the privileged views.

Not the best example, but this pic from S/G shows how a south-facing unit might gain a view through adjacent buildings to the East and the Lake:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/3944513367_26e53d9bb9_o.jpg
http://www.studiogang.net/projects_e1.htm

[spyguy999]

155 North Wacker - 638 ft
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2682/416694479876cdc82c43o.jpg
Tom Rossiter/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24925500@N06/4166944798/)
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5420/4166944658648f50dab7o.jpg
Tom Rossiter/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24925500@N06/4166944658/)

[Derek2k3]

Nice and clean. Looks like a rendering.

[HoveringCheesecake]

It looks great in person, but my only complaint is the top. It doesn't stand out in person but it kind of looks cheap in photos. I assume the mechanicals are hidden underneath that box up top?

[Alonzo-ny]

That's a nasty trio.

[londonlawyer]

155 North Wacker - 638 ft
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2682/416694479876cdc82c43o.jpg
Tom Rossiter/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24925500@N06/4166944798/)
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5420/4166944658648f50dab7o.jpg
[/SIZE][/I]

These buildings are crap, and the cheap box in the middle really sucks since it's built on some of the primest land in Chicago.

[antinimby]

Um, that "box" does not look cheap. The skin looks rather nice actually.

[Alonzo-ny]

Good skin. Bad bones.

[lofter1]

Are those shots of 155 North Wacker photos or renderings? It's very slick looking.

[lbjefferies]

From the bottom up it certainly is not attractive. But the base is fantastic.

While I believe recent Chicago architecture to be vastly inferior to recent New York architecture, one thing I noticed on a recent trip was how much better they do the lobby. Perhaps it is because sidewalk property value is so much less, and they don't feel obligated to cram a Home Depot and a bank branch in every overgrown base as the developers do here--but some of the groundfloors I saw in otherwise uninspiring buildings were downright majestic.

[spyguy999]

Are those shots of 155 North Wacker photos or renderings? It's very slick looking.

Photos.


Perhaps it is because sidewalk property value is so much less, and they don't feel obligated to cram a Home Depot and a bank branch in every overgrown base as the developers do here

I'll agree that these newer office buildings don't cram retail space into the base like the old ones - for better or worse. However, they almost all have restaurants, stores, and yes, bank branches on the first floor, including this one:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7128/47850446.jpg

[spyguy999]

Roosevelt University - "vertical campus" tower
469 ft/ 32 floors - supposedly the second tallest university building in the US after the Cathedral of Learning
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3163/g120909dorm3cstfeed2009.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4243/rooseveltfacade550x733a.jpg
The facade of Andrew Rebori's tiny Fine Arts Building Annex (left) will remain
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2310/59167854.jpg
Rising next to Adler & Sullivan's masterpiece

It's sort of reminiscent of Chelsea Modern, at least from the renderings.

[Stroika]

While I believe recent Chicago architecture to be vastly inferior to recent New York architecture, one thing I noticed on a recent trip was how much better they do the lobby.

VERY true. Was recently in Chicago for a few weeks for work. The people I was working with there all have "favorite lobbies" near the office my company has in Chicago ... and even though our firm's global headquarters is in NY, the Chicago office has a much, much more impressive lobby.

I wasn't quite as impressed with Chicago architecture/urbanity as I had hoped to be, though. There's a very un-urban open feeling to the city (a bit like Moscow), and the central downtown/business area empties out at night in ways that make any NYer's jokes about Wall Street being a dead zone in the evening sound absolutely misplaced. And land is clearly less dear than in NY; just a block or two back from Millennium Park and S Michigan Avenue, the number of vacant lots, surface lots, and check-cashing-type businesses is shockingly high. Even in the most central areas, not only vacant/surface lots and parking garages were in surprising abundance, but so were relatively new-looking squat buildings of 4-5 stories. I can't imagine any developer being able to profit in NY by building such squat, short buildings in such central locations. ... Overall, I was expecting a denser and, frankly, nicer city ... but in the Loop, the lobbies of the big new towers sure are swanky.

[stache]

I agree. It's been five years since I was there but I was surprised at the number of large, five floor residential buildings being constructed, when clearly they could have gone up. I can't imagine it's zoning. Plus if you walk along Clark St., past Carl Sandburg Village, the sidewalk gets extremely narrow, considering this is a major artery, and new buildings are not being set back to make room for a bigger sidewalk. It's so different from New York. People there don't really talk about Europe, or going there.

[antinimby]

What are you guys talking about? There are plenty of areas in prime locations of Manhattan that they only build 4-5 stories (or even less than that).

And why does everything has to be compared to Manhattan?

Chicago is Chicago and I'm sure plenty of people can also find things wrong with Manhattan as well if we were to go down that route.

As for the "vastly inferior" comment, I find that laughable considering the constant use of the term POS (piece of s h i t) when referring to projects here in NY.

[stache]

Mainly because Chicago is clearly patterned after NY, along with Philadelphia.

[antinimby]

In what way?

Chicago like New York and many other cities at the time before automobiles developed a tightly knit core.

This is hardly a New York invention. European cities have been developed that way long before Columbus even set foot in America.

[ASchwarz]

From the bottom up it certainly is not attractive. But the base is fantastic.

While I believe recent Chicago architecture to be vastly inferior to recent New York architecture, one thing I noticed on a recent trip was how much better they do the lobby. Perhaps it is because sidewalk property value is so much less, and they don't feel obligated to cram a Home Depot and a bank branch in every overgrown base as the developers do here--but some of the groundfloors I saw in otherwise uninspiring buildings were downright majestic.

That's because Chicago has a crappy streetscape with relatively little street-level retail.

Instead of the (required) street-level retail in NYC, Chicago (for the most part) has nothing but lobbies and parking garages at street level.

NYC office lobbies tend to be on the side streets, and rather small in comparison, because the ground-floor retail is so valuable. The most visible space in NYC is almost always for retail.

[ASchwarz]

As for the "vastly inferior" comment, I find that laughable considering the constant use of the term POS (piece of s h i t) when referring to projects here in NY.

It's all personal preference, I guess. I think you'll disagree with me, but to me, the worst McSam you can find is MUCH better than the typical new Chicago residential.

A McSam has no parking whatsover.

A new Chicago tower will be roughly 30% parking garage. Even a fancy, prime new building like Trump Chicago is one giant parking garage until you reach the 20th-25th floor or so.

And, unless you're on Michigan Ave. or State Street, there isn't much ground floor retail. And when there is, often the main entrance to the retail is through the attached parking garage. Sometimes even the pedestrian has to go into the parking garage to enter the store! I did this to enter a Petco just north of the Loop!

To me, the function is even more important than the outward appearance.

[spyguy999]

I don't want to make this into a VS. thread, but I feel compelled to respond to some of these posts.


And land is clearly less dear than in NY; just a block or two back from Millennium Park and S Michigan Avenue, the number of vacant lots, surface lots, and check-cashing-type businesses is shockingly high.

Many of those surface lots are owned (and sometimes were created) by a number of universities. They will eventually become dorms, classrooms, performance spaces, etc.



Instead of the (required) street-level retail in NYC, Chicago (for the most part) has nothing but lobbies and parking garages at street level.

NYC office lobbies tend to be on the side streets, and rather small in comparison, because the ground-floor retail is so valuable..

Can you name some of these new office towers in NY, outside of Times Square, that are completely dominated by retail? One of the few that I can think of off the top of my head is Bloomberg Tower.



A new Chicago tower will be roughly 30% parking garage. Even a fancy, prime new building like Trump Chicago is one giant parking garage until you reach the 20th-25th floor or so.


Agreed about the parking podiums, it's one of the things I hate the most. However, if you saw Trump Chicago you'd know that it's not 25 floors of parking and then condos. The lobby floor contains a bar, below that is a landscaped riverwalk with about 100000 sf of retail. Above is parking, yes, but for 10 floors. Then hotel amenities, the main restaurant and the terrace restaurant and ~70 floors of hotel rooms/condos.



And, unless you're on Michigan Ave. or State Street, there isn't much ground floor retail. And when there is, often the main entrance to the retail is through the attached parking garage. Sometimes even the pedestrian has to go into the parking garage to enter the store! I did this to enter a Petco just north of the Loop!Patently false. Unfortunately it seems you don't know the city well, even the touristy areas.

First, of the 200 or so highrise buildings that have gone up in the last boom, I'd guess that nearly all have retail on at least the first floor.

Granted, some stores do have additional entrances in the parking levels. But your Petco experience aside, it's laughable to claim that it's a common experience for pedestrians to be forced to enter through the garage or that most stores have their main entrance in the garage.

[stache]

Many moons ago I was hoofing around looking for work and I came across stores just off Michigan Ave. that had no street access. At the time I wondered how they got business.

[antinimby]

ASchwarz, please follow the discussion.

We were talking about architecture, not whether something has a parking garage or not.

As for your last statement, function and appearance do go hand in hand.

Would you pick any ugly, old car because all you want it to do is just function?

[antinimby]

Oh and I forgot to add one more thing or two...

There are more than a few areas in Manhattan where there are very little retail particularly on the east side where there are either

1) Hospitals/medical buildings with nothing but a blank wall facing the street or
2) residentials with plazas around it

Except for a few busy spots, many sidestreets in Manhattan are practically deserted after hours.

Please.

[lbjefferies]

As for the "vastly inferior" comment, I find that laughable considering the constant use of the term POS (piece of s h i t) when referring to projects here in NY.


I don't belive you have provided an adequate argument as to why my comment is laughable. Could you please try again?

[antinimby]

Oh yes, I am wrong and you are correct.

New York has way better architecture than Chicago and these New York projects proves it without a doubt:



http://www.nybits.com/images/photo/avalon_chrystie_1.jpg
Avalon Chrystie


http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/88%2520Leonard/88Leonard_03a.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE7kVlEWrXiQ7a4tv89DoodXCAHAQ

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.tishmanconstruction.com/files/images/ProjectPage_Residential_88Leonard_1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGOz9N2tAFTJ_WiPKd2ajnCO_Xp4w
88 Leonard


http://jschumacher.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c339953ef01156ff6a262970b-800wi
Avalon Morningside Heights


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4273597541_356b77cd40_o.jpg
Foley Square Apts



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/4273173802_00fa178c3b_o.jpg
Holiday Inn Wall Street



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4272435343_b6f9e8203f_o.jpg
124 Water St


Here's a two for one:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2782/4273172368_116724133b_o.jpg
2 Gold St I & II



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2679/4272427233_9bd13b8e8f_o.jpg
17 Ann St


Here's a favorite of mine maybe because the pic was taken by me :cool::
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4273178022_962d2af65f_o.jpg
Wyndham Garden Inn


http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/High%20Line/100121_316ElevOHM_5.jpg
316 Eleventh


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9026/440w42.jpg
440 W 42


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/348314433_9704670442.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/348314432_2a24a3f255_o.jpg
Bryant Park tower


http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://curbed.com/uploads/2009_9_38delancey.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFB8rt0HCHDgHawwOSgYly2B_Ejig
38 Delancey


http://www.nychinatown.org/storefronts/delancey/101ludlow_b_med.jpg
101 Ludlow


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/348249580_42d4829bb3_o.jpg
300 Madison


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/351810496_22d39efeb1_o.jpg
The Olivia


http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.taconicinvestments.com/images/img_portfolio_caledonia.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHK7VVwD8t7kgp-i5yA495TqbDETg
The Caledonia


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/2969230845_2eb7c1d290_b.jpg
47 E 34


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3927/img7902mw7.jpg
Skyhouse


http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/14/f3/a8/view-of-comfort-inn-times.jpg
Comfort Inn Times Square


http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Upper%20West%20Side/0909_200W724.jpg
200 W 72


Take your pick:
http://www.pbase.com/image/73505330.jpg
6 Ave - Flower District


http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/DSCN0073.jpg
The Intercontinental New York Times Square


http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/44354/beaverhouse_articlebox.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHWtZPGYKYD2gO2dlHCev7Pdv45wg
William Beaver House


http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/jerethangelfan/459.jpg?t=1240205289
U.S. Mission to the U.N.



http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8038&d=1259876442
New Fiterman Hall


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2674/3964873326_7c4e40f9c3_o.jpg
785 Eighth


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4995/img0362ut.jpg
The Eventi

[lofter1]

what's not to like?

[antinimby]

LOL. That's just the very tip of the iceberg.

I haven't even unleash the Gene Kaufmans on you's or any of the outerborough stuff. ;)

Trust me, you don't want to me to do that.

[Stroika]

Wow, there was a lot of righteous indignation in that photo post!

Yep, we sure have seen a lot of bad stuff done to the city -- mistakes that I hope will stop, and that the next 40 years will see torn down.

Still, Chicago simply doesn't have the presence, the density of New York. It's a question of preference, of course, but even the last decade (or five) of bottom-feeding architecture and cheap-as-they-come materials can't destroy New York's fundamentally sound urbanity. (And Chicago has produced a lot of stinkers in that span as well!) Anyway, here's hoping the next 10 years don't see the sorts of atrocities posted above -- leaving the current building stock in place would be vastly preferable to letting that trash killing quality of life in this city by replacing pre-war stock.

EDIT: Though I'm not entirely sure I'd dump Gwathmey Siegel's US Mission to the UN in there... Still, a powerful post, antinimby.

[stache]

And so much for the five photos per post rule - :rolleyes:

[NoyokA]

Wow what a fair post antinimby. New York only builds crap and Chicago hasn't built one crappy building in the last ten years, everything it builds is a gem. Give me a break.

[ASchwarz]

Antinimby, have you ever been to Chicago? You really don't seem to have a remotely accurate or objective view of development in either city.

Posting a list of mediocre-to-crappy new buildings in NYC proves nothing. One can do the same for Chicago, or for any other major city on earth, for that matter.

[antinimby]

Look at all these people that don't follow the discussion and then hastily jump in here with their knee jerk reactions.


First of all, the claim (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=314926&postcount=311) was by someone that Chicago architecture was "vastly inferior" to New York's.

As you can see, I have disproven that outlandish claim. And in fact, I only did so when prompted to by that person who made that claim.

I DID NOT however (and I'll say it again for those of you that don't really read carefully) DID NOT say that Chicago did not build their share of bad buildings or that New York build only bad buildings.

You people need to learn how to read and follow the discussion if you are going to jump in here and react.


And oh yes, I have been to Chicago. It is a very impressive city and in many ways, reminds me a lot of New York.

[lbjefferies]

Look at all these people that don't follow the discussion and then hastily jump in here with their knee jerk reactions.


First of all, the claim (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=314926&postcount=311) was by someone that Chicago architecture was "vastly inferior" to New York's.

As you can see, I have disproven that outlandish claim. And in fact, I only did so when prompted to by that person who made that claim.

I DID NOT however (and I'll say it again for those of you that don't really read carefully) DID NOT say that Chicago did not build their share of bad buildings or that New York build only bad buildings.

You people need to learn how to read and follow the discussion if you are going to jump in here and react.


And oh yes, I have been to Chicago. It is a very impressive city and in many ways, reminds me a lot of New York.



You absolutely DID NOT disprove ANYTHING. All you did was provide a disturbing post full of unattractive recent developments here in New York WITHOUT POSTING ANYTHING about recent Chicago developments. How could such basic logic escape someone capable of using a computer?

Let me help you along: if you desire to make a cogent argument, you now have to post the worst/cheapest/ugliest buildings in Chicago for a side-by-side comparison. And there has to be a noticable difference in quality between the two cities (let me give a you a hint: there isn't).

THEN, you would have to provide side-by-side photos of the best architecture of each respective city to show how much better Chicago fared than New York (let me give you another hint: they didn't). Very much the opposite in fact--thus my vastly inferior comment which I still stand by.

Listen, I get angry about all the bad stuff too. But it is a country-wide epidemic, not just a New York one. You shouldn't let your anger cloud your ability to appreciate all the great stuff out there.

There is a name for your condition. It's called hysterical blindness.

[Alonzo-ny]

Time to tone it down. The Chicago vs. NY thread is locked for a reason. This discussion needs to get less confrontational now or it will be locked as well.

[antinimby]

You absolutely DID NOT disprove ANYTHING. All you did was provide a disturbing post full of unattractive recent developments here in New York WITHOUT POSTING ANYTHING about recent Chicago developments. How could such basic logic escape someone capable of using a computer?

Let me help you along: if you desire to make a cogent argument, you now have to post the worst/cheapest/ugliest buildings in Chicago for a side-by-side comparison. And there has to be a noticable difference in quality between the two cities (let me give a you a hint: there isn't).

THEN, you would have to provide side-by-side photos of the best architecture of each respective city to show how much better Chicago fared than New York (let me give you another hint: they didn't). Very much the opposite in fact--thus my vastly inferior comment which I still stand by.Right. Chicago has vastly inferior architecture.

Does anybody else think this is true? Does anybody else agree with lbjefferies?

Someone. Anyone. Please step forward.



You are the one that need to back up your statement, not the other way around. And don't think you can get away with not backing up your statement either because I am going to ask you over and over again.



Listen, I get angry about all the bad stuff too. But it is a country-wide epidemic, not just a New York one. You shouldn't let your anger cloud your ability to appreciate all the great stuff out there.

There is a name for your condition. It's called hysterical blindness.You are a joke. Even after I said for the umpteenth time that I DID NOT SAY THIS WAS ONLY A NEW YORK PROBLEM.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York. The architecture in New York is just as bad as any place and my post shows it. It is not superior, not even close.



Let me repeat it several more times for those that have trouble understanding...


What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

[lofter1]

jeez ^

[NoyokA]

You absolutely DID NOT disprove ANYTHING. All you did was provide a disturbing post full of unattractive recent developments here in New York WITHOUT POSTING ANYTHING about recent Chicago developments. How could such basic logic escape someone capable of using a computer?

Let me help you along: if you desire to make a cogent argument, you now have to post the worst/cheapest/ugliest buildings in Chicago for a side-by-side comparison. And there has to be a noticable difference in quality between the two cities (let me give a you a hint: there isn't).

THEN, you would have to provide side-by-side photos of the best architecture of each respective city to show how much better Chicago fared than New York (let me give you another hint: they didn't). Very much the opposite in fact--thus my vastly inferior comment which I still stand by.

Listen, I get angry about all the bad stuff too. But it is a country-wide epidemic, not just a New York one. You shouldn't let your anger cloud your ability to appreciate all the great stuff out there.

There is a name for your condition. It's called hysterical blindness.

Reasoned.



Quote:
Originally Posted by lbjefferies View Post
You absolutely DID NOT disprove ANYTHING. All you did was provide a disturbing post full of unattractive recent developments here in New York WITHOUT POSTING ANYTHING about recent Chicago developments. How could such basic logic escape someone capable of using a computer?

Let me help you along: if you desire to make a cogent argument, you now have to post the worst/cheapest/ugliest buildings in Chicago for a side-by-side comparison. And there has to be a noticable difference in quality between the two cities (let me give a you a hint: there isn't).

THEN, you would have to provide side-by-side photos of the best architecture of each respective city to show how much better Chicago fared than New York (let me give you another hint: they didn't). Very much the opposite in fact--thus my vastly inferior comment which I still stand by.
Right. Chicago has vastly inferior architecture.

Does anybody else think this is true? Does anybody else agree with lbjefferies?

Someone. Anyone. Please step forward.



You are the one that need to back up your statement, not the other way around. And don't think you can get away with not backing up your statement either because I am going to ask you over and over again.


Quote:
Listen, I get angry about all the bad stuff too. But it is a country-wide epidemic, not just a New York one. You shouldn't let your anger cloud your ability to appreciate all the great stuff out there.

There is a name for your condition. It's called hysterical blindness.
You are a joke. Even after I said for the umpteenth time that I DID NOT SAY THIS WAS ONLY A NEW YORK PROBLEM.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York. The architecture in New York is just as bad as any place and my post shows it. It is not superior, not even close.



Let me repeat it several more times for those that have trouble understanding...


What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

What I did say is that contrary to your "vastly inferior" comment, Chicago does not have vastly inferior architecture than New York.

Obnoxious.

[stache]

would we be missing that much? Are there any big projects still going up in Chicago?

[Alonzo-ny]

Only one way to find out. Too much personal nonsense. Thread locked for now.

[spyguy999]

A trio of Helmut Jahn-designed projects at the University of Chicago.

South Campus chiller plant
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8938/14455image1.jpg
Rainer Viertlböck (http://www.architectureweek.com/cgi-bin/awimage?dir=2009/1118&article=news_1-1.html&image=14455_image_1.jpg)
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2360/ind19503sccp.jpg
Rainer Viertlböck (http://www.aiachicago.org/special_features/2009DEA/awards.asp?subID=1219)

West Campus utility plant
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4250/93333953.jpg
Murphy/Jahn
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5313/63480404.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2142/72563574.jpg

Mansueto Library with underground automated storage and retrieval system
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7539/mansuetolib1.jpg
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/456/mansuetolib2.jpg

[stache]

Very nice!

[spyguy999]

South Campus Residence Hall
Goody Clancy
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/753/12009ag45407re.jpghttp://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8098/32009ag45prelim411.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9426/4423733575e0f7c088cbb.jpg
Eric Fischer/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4423733575/)

Logan Arts Center - construction should begin next month
Tod Williams Billie Tsien
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1017/1257887830view01exterio.jpg
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2803/1257887841view03aerialf.jpg
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9594/1257887848view4courtyar.jpg

And the recently completed Media Production Center for Columbia College
Studio Gang
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1203/4314541450d93db7bc26b.jpg
lilacolum/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42117748@N07/4314541450/)
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1271/431454078450ffa133fcb.jpg
lilacolum/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42117748@N07/4314540784/)
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/791/4314540680428bb46e1cb.jpg
lilacolum/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42117748@N07/4314540680/)

[spyguy999]

From right: One Museum Park (734 ft), OMP West (595 ft), future remaining towers (790 and 900 ft)
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9364/4519479283ee0e420fbbb.jpg
BedHog/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bedhog/4519479283/)
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2482/4343794022555a1b0d9fb.jpg
marcusjames/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcusjames/4343794022/)

[spyguy999]

Legacy at Millennium Park
819 ft/ 71 floors

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1504/454167442184ac1f3236b.jpg
Daphne Chaos/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daphnechaos/4541674421/)
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2936/4542270976fdcbc33bc2b.jpg
Daphne Chaos/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daphnechaos/4542270976/)
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/9609/45851940002a0ea9d379b.jpg
Steve Nolan/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nolan/4585194000/)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6034/efc1s2lt.jpg
Solar panels that will provide electricity for the lighting.

[stache]

That's a great idea!

[Tectonic]

A few shots from a Chicago run...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4702501087_10215196bd_b.jpg



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4703137156_d10781a5e3_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4703136502_b5ca62beb0_b.jpg









Tectonic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10342485@N05/)
more later

[MidtownGuy]

Great shots! Thanks for sharing. I've actually never been to Chicago but I have a friend there who has been asking me to visit.

[stache]

You should go. It's very trashy in the summer!

[HoveringCheesecake]

Did you pay the bar in Hancock a visit?

[lesterp4]

Trump hasn't built anythiing near the quality of this in NYC and he calls NYC home.

[ASchwarz]

I agree that Trump needs to step up his game in his hometown, but Trump Tower Chicago is about 30% parking garage.

No thanks, even if it looks good from afar. I don't want giant parking podiums blighting NYC and encouraging car-centric development.

The top of Trump Tower Chicago actually has nothing to do with Trump. Mayor Daley requested the building be taller, so the architect obliged and added the spire. There's essentially no zoning in Chicago, so you can build pretty much anything, as long as you have the support of the politicans.

Speaking of parking garages, that Hancock garage ramp is fun. I have driven it many times, even if I know it makes me a tad hypocritical (given that I hate those surface garages).

[Tectonic]

Did you pay the bar in Hancock a visit?

Unfortunately I did not.

I also complain about what Trump builds in NYC, Trump Soho is his best looking new tower here.

Also found these:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2466/underconstruction22mo0.png

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1277/underconstructionhancocyt4.png

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1896/cimg44952zs6.jpg

hegemony_cricket on imageshack

[spyguy999]

353 N Clark
624 ft/ 44 floors
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8966/90901457.jpg
Bill Zbaren (http://www.zbaren.com/)
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6380/56287557.jpg
Bill Zbaren (http://www.zbaren.com/)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8988/3627572852fc37131662b.jpg
wjcordier/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wjcordier/3627572852/)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/818/3627577732c20d79d256b.jpg
wjcordier/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wjcordier/3627577732/)

[lbjefferies]

Trump hasn't built anythiing near the quality of this in NYC and he calls NYC home.


Trump tower chicago is nothing to aspire to.

[camaren2]

I love when people (mostly new yorkers) act like they know Chicago when clearly they don't. Even those who have actually been to the city only visit the tourist spots and then coin themselves experts on Chicago. Then they post stupid comments on here and look like fools...sad

Anyway, I really don't like comparing Chicago and NYC, or any other cities for that matter, because it doesn't make sense. All major cities are different and have their own characteristics that make them unique. So the posts here comparing the two cities is just ridiculous. Chicago will have qualities that NYC can't compete with, and NYC will have qualities that Chicago can't compete with as well. But that doesn't make one city better than the other. It's apples and oranges.

Anyway as for the thread, the pics are gorgeous! They really make me miss Chicago. I can't wait to come back and see the buildings for myself :)

[stache]

That's very funny. You don't live there either. :rolleyes:

[lofter1]

CURBED has just launched a new site: CURBED CHICAGO (http://chicago.curbed.com/)

[odd how funny "Chicago" looks when typed out]

[HoveringCheesecake]

I do like that they used Hancock for their logo.

[londonlawyer]

353 N Clark
624 ft/ 44 floors
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8966/90901457.jpg
Bill Zbaren (http://www.zbaren.com/)
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6380/56287557.jpg
Bill Zbaren (http://www.zbaren.com/)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8988/3627572852fc37131662b.jpg
wjcordier/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wjcordier/3627572852/)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/818/3627577732c20d79d256b.jpg
wjcordier/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wjcordier/3627577732/)

Lame box.

[spyguy999]

EnV
335 ft/ 29 floors
3 floors of retail followed by parking, apartments

All photos from EnV's Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=192107&id=135100696374) page
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1882/14873145513699137413510.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6718/75838455136656374135100.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3559/73894455135951374135100.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9698/15007745513567637413510.jpg
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5834/73018455136801374135100.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/791/75311455136551374135100.jpg
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7595/14878545513639137413510.jpg

[spyguy999]

A new rental tower under construction just north of Aqua.

Coast @ Lakeshore East
49 floors
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8113/buildinga1.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9479/buildinga20.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4087/buildinga30.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7922/buildinga50.jpg

[Merry]

http://vimeo.com/25850891

http://gawker.com/5818435/take-a-tour-of-chicago-in-three-minutes

[spyguy999]

Roosevelt University dorm (almost complete)
469 ft/ 32 floors

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6923/59791709110d97801cf7b.jpg
Shannon McFarland/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanmcf/5979170911/in/photostream)
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2534/59797720847ef9333cd2b.jpg
Shannon McFarland/ flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanmcf/5979772084/in/photostream)

[Merry]

Mail Mall Monolith


Developer proposes tallest Chicago tower in Post Office makeover.

by Alan G. Brake

http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/image/chicago_post_office_02.jpg
Proposed towers on the Chicago skyline.
Courtesy Booth Hansen

http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/chicago_post_office_01.jpg (http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/chicago_post_office_01.jpg)
Post Office Lobby.

In late July Monaco-based developer Bill Davies stunned Chicago with a proposal for a massive retail and entertainment complex topped by office, residential, and hotel towers, including a 120-story skyline topper. Working with Lawrence Booth, principal of Booth Hansen, the full build-out would include 6.2 million square feet of retail, restaurants, and entertainment space, 3.8 million square feet of residential space, 2 million square feet of offices, 7500 hotel rooms, parking for 12,000 cars, and a 20-acre “skyline park” green roof.

The massive old Post Office building, which Davies acquired in 2009 for $20.8 million, will anchor the project’s first phase, which would also include a 40-story hotel tower atop the 10-story base. “He’s very taken with the building,” Booth said of Davies. “What he saw was 3 million square feet sitting on top of every possible transportation mode. You just have incredible access.”

Davies and Booth believe the site has the potential to draw visitors from the suburbs, the city, as well as tourists, and envision a retail/entertainment/leisure destination that could rival the Mall of America, but more upscale and more urban in atmosphere. “The first phase has to work and build momentum,” he said. “You have to deliver a high quality experience for people.” Booth envisions a theatre, movies, restaurants by top-tier Chicago chefs, along with a mix of retailers.

Pending interest from tenants, Davies wants to break ground on the first phase in two years.

http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/chicago_post_office_03.jpg

http://www.archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=5565 (http://archpapersub.dreamhosters.com/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=13__zoneid=24__cb=c205 3712e0__oadest=http%3A%2F%2Fvisitor.r20.constantco ntact.com%2Fd.jsp%3Fllr%3D8npotrn6%26p%3Doi%26m%3D 1010981879227)http://archpapersub.dreamhosters.com/www/delivery/lg.php?bannerid=13&campaignid=12&zoneid=24&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.archpaper.com%2Fnews%2Farticl es.asp%3Fid%3D5565&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.archpaper.com%2F&cb=c2053712e0

[Daquan13]

How tall do you estimate the tallest set of twin towers to be? Looks like they might supass One WTC.

The city IS chopping at the bit to get going on something taller than One. It has happened with the Willis Tower when it eclipsed the Twins, and it could happen again with something else.

[ASchwarz]

This isn't a serious proposal. It's the doodlings of an eccentric fellow who hasn't developed a thing in his life.

The owner flips buildings. He isn't a builder.

[stache]

Plus all that would be a little far South.

[RebeccaM]

This proposed project seems a little too ambitious. It also seems to be a little out of the loop. Also with the economy the way it is, is Chicago really hurting for available real estate for businesses? I'm sure it would be another one of many Chicago attractions (http://www.choosechicago.com/attractions/).

[spiridondon]

so toronto has the cn tower

[spiridondon]

lol

[spiridondon]

i dont want this to happen

[Merry]

Three Pelli Towers to Rise on the Chicago River

by Alan G. Brake

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According to the Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/10235172-417/kennedys-envision-3-tower-development-along-chicago-river.html), the Kennedy family and top tier developer Hines are working on plans for three towers at the Wolf Point site, just west of the Merchandise Mart, to be designed by Cesar Pelli. Currently used as a parking lot, the Kennedy-owned site has dramatic views of the convergence of the Chicago River as well as the Loop. Plans call for the tallest building to reach 60 stories. No word yet on the uses for the buildings. Full details of the proposal are expected to be released in March or April. Pelli’s only other building in Chicago is an office tower at 181 West Madison.

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[HoveringCheesecake]

Great news that they are building something there. Hopefully the main tower is 1000 ft+. Or they could go all out and build the Skyneedle.