John Jay College of Criminal Justice Expansion - by Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill

[Gulcrapek]

I'm absolutely certain there was a thread on this but the search turned up nothing.

http://www.akersdesignrender.com/show/John_Jay_11th%20Final.jpg

http://www.akersdesignrender.com/show/John_Jay-59th_final.jpg

There are also better renderings around, some of which were in that thread. Architect is SOM.

[NoyokA]

SOM NY is returning to its modernist convictions, first initiated under Burnshaft, and while the forms aren't particularly exciting the facades are:

http://www.aiany.org/designawards/2004/projects/jpegs/219a.jpg

http://www.aiany.org/designawards/2004/projects/jpegs/219b.jpg

http://www.aiany.org/designawards/2004/projects/jpegs/219c.jpg

[NoyokA]

I'm absolutely certain there was a thread on this but the search turned up nothing.

See this thread:

http://forums.wirednewyork.com/viewtopic.php?t=3060&start=0

[krulltime]

Some update news finally...


http://newyork.construction.com/images/2006/May06HigherEd-CUNY-59thSt.jpg



For example, a new 600,000-sq.-ft. building planned at 11th Avenue and 59th Street in Manhattan for John Jay College of Criminal Justice specifically targets overcrowding in the rapidly expanding academic program.

"Even with the new building, John Jay will have one of the lowest square-foot-to-student ratios in the system," Moore-Wilk said.

The $457 million North Hall project will include a 14-story tower clad in a glass curtain wall. A low-rise structure with a landscaped outdoor area on its roof will link the tower to John Jay's existing Haaren Hall.

The project was slated to begin earlier this year, but legal issues have delayed demolition at the site. A major stumbling point is a pending agreement with Amtrak, the passenger rail carrier, to ensure proper ventilation of a rail tunnel running beneath the site.

from this article.... http://newyork.construction.com/features/archive/2006/05_feature2b.asp

[vc10]

Can't wait for this to go up. The existing garage is an eyesore, and I'm always happy when otherwise useless land (like that small section of open track at the corner of 58th (?) and WEA) is finally built on.


Some update news finally...

[krulltime]

The garage is about to begin demolition! I walk there today and notice scaffolding going up and demolition signs.

[finnman69]

demolition will start shortly, I imagine a sidewalk bridge is coming too.

[londonlawyer]

Will this be located on Amsterdam? If so, on what cross-street?

[krulltime]

No... this is fronting West End Avenue. Between 58th street and 59th street.

here is that garage that is getting demolished.

http://www.pbase.com/image/43900421.jpg

[krulltime]

Here is a bigger rendering... (Notice that they made 10 West End Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8556&highlight=element) into a pedestrian plaza)

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/3/2/8/jjc_finalblue_web_328.jpg

[londonlawyer]

No... this is fronting West End Avenue. Between 58th street and 59th street.

here is that garage that is getting demolished.

http://www.pbase.com/image/43900421.jpg

Thnx, Krull. That garage is crap!

[stache]

Yes that block was a total dead zone.

[NYatKNIGHT]

Huge improvement, and what a cool new building.

[Derek2k3]

Here's the model:
http://www.radiiinc.com/images/22/Radii-270.pdf

[lofter1]

That ^^ is 101 Warren St.

[Citytect]

Here's the correct Radii Inc. link for this project:

http://www.radiiinc.com/images/27/Radii-JohnJay.pdf

Maybe a moderator can put Derek2k3's 101 Warren link in the appropriate thread.

[lofter1]

The link from Derek to 101 Warren is already on that thread ...

[lofter1]

The low rise mid-block section with the park / plaza above is a nice touch ...

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[Citytect]

The slope of the street really makes this an interesting site. I like the way this design handles it.

[Barcelona]

Does anyone know when the construction of the college will be completed? I agree....the building looks pretty good.

[londonlawyer]

Will this building be located directly behind the beautiful John Jay structure on Amsterdam? Also, John Jay occupies a POS structure on the east side of Amsterdam diagonally across from the nice one. Does anyone know if that will be razed and sold to a developer once the new building has been completed?

PS: Is the new building already UC?

[Fahzee]

^^ Construction has started - you can best see if from 11th Ave, between 58th & 59th street. The new building is directly behind Haaren Hall, which is the nice one you mentioned

[londonlawyer]

^^ Construction has started - you can best see if from 11th Ave, between 58th & 59th street. The new building is directly behind Haaren Hall, which is the nice one you mentioned

Thanks for the info. Do you know anything about the POS that John Jay occupies on the east side of Amsterdam diagonally across from its nice, old structure. E.g., will it be razed and sold to a developer once the new building has been completed?

[Fahzee]

^^ I'm actually not sure about that one. I think that you are refering to North Hall, which was built in the early 70s by John Jay.

I don't know a lot of about John Jay, or other Cuny schools, but I'm under the impression that John Jay has doubled or tripled in enrollment since the mid 80s, which may mean that the POS is an integral part of their campus (as well as a total eye sore)

[Derek2k3]

North Hall will come down and probably be sold to a developer.

[ablarc]

The low rise mid-block section with the park / plaza above is a nice touch ...
Is it?

Check out the streetscape.

[londonlawyer]

North Hall will come down and probably be sold to a developer.

Thanks, Derek. Are you speculating or do you know? Thanks for the info!

[antinimby]

^ A little bit of both I would guess.


North Hall will come down and probably be sold to a developer.That makes lots of sense both logistically and financially.

After this new building goes up, they'd move over there and sell NH.

Let's hope that happens 'cause like LL said, NH is really a piece of #&$@.

[lofter1]

They're still digging around the foundation here ... as seen from the raised plaza across W. 58th ...

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[krulltime]

December 8, 2007:

http://www.pbase.com/image/90186020.jpg

[Moebius]

North Hall is owned by The New York State Dormitory Authority. John Jay will probably try to work with them for a renovation once the new project is complete (which by the looks of things won't be until well into 2010).

[zarzapan]

coming along...

[zarzapan]

The second tower crane is nearing completion.

I am trying to figure out what the footprint of the highrise portion will be. Do you experts out there think it will be the entire area where they have started the steel construction, or is part of that the connection to the lowrise (so that maybe the highrise starts not with the leftmost steel upright but the one second from the left or something)?

Here's a link to the renderings for comparison:

http://www.som.com/content.cfm/john_jay_college_of_criminal_justice

[zarzapan]

Is this structure what I think it is?

[antinimby]

Yup, looks like it.

I'm surprised they decided to build the two sections separately and each with separate foundations.

I wonder what's that all about.

[Tectonic]

Aren't there train tracks running under this site?

[zarzapan]

Yeah, on the Eleventh Avenue side. This photo is from late April.

[Tectonic]

It was probably around that time I was in the area and heard the trains passing. I was stunned because I for got. Are they freight tracks?

[kz1000ps]

Just Amtrak's line up to Albany.

[BrooklynLove]

Just Amtrak's line up to Albany.

Really? These tracks go through Penn Station I assume? Very cool.

[kz1000ps]

Yup. And they're still exposed down by the Javits. Here's a Gmaps aerial (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.757197,-73.999899&spn=0.002211,0.005359&t=k&z=18) showing them right before they make the turn east to head into Penn Station.

[zarzapan]

I was wrong (on 12/20/08) about the "staircase cascade" feature... I can see now that this must be the lower one, which makes more sense in terms of the footprint of the high-rise part.

[NoyokA]

That power plant is a beaux-art beauty. I really hope they turn it into another Chelsea Market.

[antinimby]

1/30/2009


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Getting off-topic a bit...here's the power plant right across the street:

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Why is it that even a simple, unassuming, utilitarian building from the past has a ton more and better architectural detailing than pretty much any of the buildings from today, even ones that try their darnedest to copy it?

(Question was rhetorical, I already know answer).

By the way, I hope that when they no longer have a need for this building, it gets preserved and that they don't tear it down or reclad it.

[nykid17]

I wonder the same thing.
Like why these billionaire developers don't build a building of actual quality, with details.
Is it really that hard, or did we lose all of the talented craftsmen of the last century.
I don't want to say we're digressing architecturally, but why not a little more diversity?
15 CPW was a good try, but still pretty bland up close considered to this rotten old utility building.

[RandySavage]

Deniro's Greenwich Hotel is the only new building I can think of that successfully makes an effort at such detailing : http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1401/377hotel02cxh5.jpg
photo by zippy

[antinimby]

It is a skill that for the most part has been lost.

The generations of architects since the 1950's only know how to draw geometric lines because that's all they're taught and expected to do.


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[zarzapan]

These are from late February and early to mid March 2009.

[zarzapan]

They jumped the crane this week (I have pictures of that if folks are interested) -- it was fascinating to watch the process. But now I am wondering, since the building is going up around the crane, how are they going to disassemble the crane's mast? If it were on the outside of the building it could disassemble itself with the cab just going down as it took pieces out of the mast. But it seems like somehow they are going to have to get another crane up high enough to pull the mast sections up and out through the shaft?

[avngingandbright]

Sorry if I missed this. What's with the set back construction on the far end of the site?

[zarzapan]

Good question. Maybe they just haven't brought it out as wide as it will be? From the rendering here

http://www.som.com/content.cfm/john_jay_college_of_criminal_justice

it doesn't particularly look like the "saddle" will be set back any more than the "tower".

[BrooklynRider]

1.
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[ablarc]

The generations of architects since the 1950's only know how to draw geometric lines because that's all they're taught and expected to do.
To be fair, they've been liberated by computers to indulge in complex forms, such as those of Nouvel, Calatrava and Gehry. If they're not artists like those gents, they're free to hang themselves with unforeseen effects, as at Bank of America.

[zarzapan]

Nearing full height. If I count right there are two more stories on the tall portion yet to come, and the "saddle" has reached full height in some sections. Looking forward to completion and to seeing the garden they're supposed to put on top of the saddle.

BTW I hear that the decaying swimming pool outside the 59th street rec center is supposed to be filled in, and that section of the block made into a park. Yay!

[londonlawyer]

To be fair, they've been liberated by computers to indulge in complex forms, such as those of Nouvel, Calatrava and Gehry. If they're not artists like those gents, they're free to hang themselves with unforeseen effects, as at Bank of America.

Interestingly, some of the glazed brick buildings from the 1950's have magnificent, complex forms.

[lofter1]

Not gonna be missed: The view of the bland Mercedez Benz showroom building on 57/58 & Eleventh.

[Alonzo-ny]

Interestingly, some of the glazed brick buildings from the 1950's have magnificent, complex forms.

I generally think if you need a computer in order to design a building its probably bad. Its not necessary for a good designer.

[Gulcrapek]

Thank goodness... I worked for DASNY last summer and still couldn't figure out why this was proceeding so slowly...

[zarzapan]

they've started glassing in the first floor, too.

[londonlawyer]

I generally think if you need a computer in order to design a building its probably bad. Its not necessary for a good designer.

Aren't all of the complex building shapes that have proliferated in recent years due to computer-aided design?

These old brick buildings, which obviously were not computer-aided, have some really superb shapes although they tend to be purely geometric and not waivy.

[Tectonic]

These are from 08-05-09.

No Copper Union but hey its a 'law' school.

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/09/726087.jpg

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[Derek2k3]

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[econ_tim]

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[JSsocal]

This one hasn't got an update in a while.
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[lofter1]

More glass ...

Approaching West 59th from Tenth:

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[lofter1]

Moving south on Eleventh Avenue from West 59th ...

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[Derek2k3]

All better larger. Riverside Center will look great from this angle.
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You can even see the Beek back there.

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[Derek2k3]

This building is just cold and unfriendly. Fits right in the area.

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Glass reflecting more glass.
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Icy
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antongorbov

Large: http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=4954282830&size=large

[ablarc]

Why do architects design these things?

[Derek2k3]

Apparently the forum became uninterested in the project. But the building is now done and opened 2 weeks ago.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/john-jay-colleges-new-building-melds-architecture-and-academics-on-the-far-westside-2011-11-02

John Jay College's New Building Melds Architecture and Academics on the Far Westside
NEW YORK, Nov. 2, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Dynamic Design Creates an Integrated Campus in One New York City Block

To meet John Jay College of Criminal Justice's evolving academic and spatial needs, the College today opened a state-of-the-art building on 59th Street between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues. The new 625,000 square foot facility, designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, is a concrete manifestation of John Jay's efforts to solidify its place as the preeminent leader in "educating for justice." This new building will not only bring a sense of community to a commuter college but also provide a facelift to the emerging Far Westside.


Icy...

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The Abraham Joshua Heschel School is giving it a friend a 1 block up. I think the steel is topped out for this one.

http://www.sciame.com/images/heschel1.jpg

Sciame
http://www.sciame.com/edu01_allenstevenson.html

The Abraham Joshua Heschel School -
New Building For Early Childhood Center, Lower School & Middle School
Location: West End Avenue and West 61st Street
Completion: 2013
Size: 136,000 SF
Client: Abraham Joshua Heschel School
Architect: Gruzen Samton Architects
LEED: Target Silver