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Kris
February 7th, 2004, 05:04 AM
February 7, 2004

Bank Branches, Sprouting Like Weeds

By JANNY SCOTT

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In a common scene, a Chase branch sits next to - and atop - a Commerce Bank branch on Fifth Avenue at 14th Street.

One curious aspect of city living is the not-infrequent discovery that one's neighborhood has suddenly become occupied territory. One year, the invading forces are drugstores. The next year, they are nail salons or stores selling mobile phones. Before you even realize that you need 27 types of dental floss more than you need, say, bread, a half-dozen stores have materialized to help you out.

These days, the occupying army is banks.

Nearly 100 new bank branches opened in New York City in the two-year period ending last June, the latest period for which federal data exist. Many dozens more are on the way. Branches are sprouting almost weekly - replacing doughnut shops, housewares stores, clothing marts, even Starbucks. One 10-block stretch of Broadway on the Upper West Side of Manhattan has found itself suddenly home to nine banks.

"I tell landlords, the only people expanding are banks, drugstores and cellphone stores," said Robert K. Futterman, who heads a retail real estate leasing company, based in New York, that bears his name. "The old joke is: We represent many owners and everyone wants Prada, Gucci and Louis Vuitton - and everyone ends up with Duane Reade, Washington Mutual and AT&T Wireless."

In a building on the northwest corner of Fifth Avenue and 14th Street, a Chase bank branch sits directly on top of a Commerce branch. On Broadway at 96th Street, there is a Citibank on the northeast corner and a Washington Mutual on the southeast. Chase is on Broadway between 95th and 96th, Commerce at 94th, Fleet and North Fork at 91st, Washington Mutual at 90th, HSBC at 88th, Citibank at 86th.

A few blocks farther south, a couple of Fleet bank machines recently replaced an eyeglass store; an Independence Community Bank is taking the spot vacated by a health food market. There is a new Washington Mutual at 75th and Broadway, an Apple and a Commerce at 74th, a Chase at 73rd and a North Fork and a Citibank at 72nd.

Some of the new branches barely resemble those cavernous old-style banks where a line of bored-looking customers snakes its way toward a phalanx of bored-looking tellers behind glass. Some look more like the lobby of a hip hotel. A "concierge" greets new arrivals. Some do not even call themselves banks; they prefer "financial centers" or "stores," and they measure themselves against retailers like Home Depot.

Others are little more than high-rent foyers housing a couple of automated teller machines.

"You walk into some of these banks, there's no bank," said C. Bradley Mendelson, executive vice president of CBRE, a commercial real estate firm. "They're the unbank, for the most part. I'm not really understanding it, to be honest with you. I don't know exactly what all these banks do except for move depositors from one bank to another bank. And at some point, there's only so many depositors."

Thomas K. Brown, the chief executive of Bankstocks.com, a financial services research Web site, said, "It's the lemming mentality again. Bankers are known for following each other over the cliff." He added: "My prediction is that many of these offices that you're seeing opened up now will be closed in a couple of years. Because there won't be enough business to justify the expense of operating all these branches."

There was a time when bank branches appeared to be a dying breed, a casualty of banking industry consolidation and of the belief that automated teller machines, online banking and telephone call centers would reduce customers' reliance on their neighborhood branch. The number of branches and bank offices in Manhattan plunged from 607 to 459 between June 1994 and June 2001, according to federal data.

The other four boroughs lost dozens, too, in that period - a time of unprecedented affluence, with the city's population climbing to a record high. Jeffrey Hawkins, a senior vice president at J.P. Morgan Chase, said that in 10 years his bank closed several hundred branches in the Northeast and Texas, many because of mergers and acquisitions.

"Retail banking became an area of the banking business that most people didn't want," said Vernon W. Hill, chairman and chief executive of Commerce Bancorp. "As banks got larger, it was cheaper to fund themselves through wholesale rather than retail. There was a general feeling that it was too much trouble, you couldn't make enough money, it was cheaper to lend to Argentina than to the guy in Queens."

But bankers now say the industry overestimated the attractions of electronic banking and underestimated the profitability of retail banking. They say they have since learned that customers still want, as John Hall, a spokesman for the American Bankers Association, puts it, "high touch, instead of high tech" - or at least they want the choice. And some people, like Mr. Brown, say the most successful banks over the last decade were the ones that were good at opening, not closing, branches.

One of those was Commerce, which started with a single branch in New Jersey in 1973 and had none in New York City until shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, when it opened a branch in Midtown Manhattan and one on the Upper West Side. Two and a half years later, its city inventory is 26. In an interview, Mr. Hill said, "We want 100 in New York City. We'll get to 50 or 60 in a couple of years."

Washington Mutual, based in Seattle, also arrived in New York City in 2001, after acquiring Dime Savings Bank. It inherited 40 branches in the city and has opened 34 more since June 2002. John Benevento, a senior vice president, said of the New York metropolitan area, "We do have expectations of opening on average approximately 50 branches a year over the next five years. We will end up with 400 branches in this market."

Even J.P. Morgan Chase will be opening new branches, albeit at a slower clip. Mr. Hawkins, the Chase senior vice president, said Chase plans to open 100 new branches in the Northeast and Texas in the next four years.

Not every neighborhood is equally flush with banks. Banks tend to gravitate toward high-density and high-income areas, bankers and brokers said. The demographics of the Upper West Side shifted during the 1990's, and the neighborhood became more affluent. As one broker put it, "Ipso facto: More money, more banks."

If the proliferation of bank branches in some neighborhoods seems baffling, the competition has produced some obvious benefits. Commerce is selling itself in part as the bank that is open seven days a week, with extended weekday hours. Washington Mutual officials said their bank is "the only national bank that is A.T.M.-surcharge-free."

The real estate market has benefited, too. "There are like four of them who compete almost head to head for every major corner in New York - Midtown and Upper East and Upper West," Susan Kurland, executive director of Cushman & Wakefield, a real estate services firm, said of the banks. "They've almost created their own marketplace, in terms of rent. There have been many cases where banks have beaten out a national retailer on price per square foot."

Not everyone is happy. Gale A. Brewer, the city councilwoman who represents the Upper West Side, compares the impact of the bank branch boom on her neighborhood to that of chain stores. Landlords tend to favor them to the detriment of smaller mom-and-pop operations, she said.

Benjamin Fox, executive vice president at Newmark New Spectrum Retail, a commercial brokerage firm, said the proximity of one bank to the next is not necessarily without logic.

"Banks aside, this city is really 50 cities wrapped up in one," he said. "The pedestrian patterns, the mass transportation hubs are spread out all over the place, so you can literally have a location two blocks from yourself without experiencing any cannibalization. "

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Merry
January 12th, 2010, 12:59 AM
A Block Where Chase Has the Corners Covered

By JAMES BARRON

There are blocks in New York that are packed with banks. A Citibank stares across the street at a Capital One here, a Wachovia is steps from an HSBC there.

And then there is the block of Eighth Avenue with two JPMorgan Chase branches, one at the corner of West 39th Street, the other at the corner of West 40th Street.

“It’s crazy,” said Stan Love, a doorman who post is on 38th Street and who was in the branch at the 39th Street corner, officially 601 Eighth Avenue, recently.

“I’ve been trying to figure why they have one here and one on the other corner.”

The reason is the branch Mr. Love was in is, as Chase branches go, a Johnny-come-lately. It began life as a Washington Mutual branch. Then, as the banking crisis was deepening in September 2008, Chase paid $1.9 billion for WaMu after the government seized it.

“We closed some branches within the first six months that were not needed,” said Tom Kelly, a Chase spokesman. And last July, after unifying the two banks’ computer systems, Chase closed 18 more “that we didn’t think we needed.”

But Chase kept some branches that were quite close to each other, even by New York standards. And so the old WaMu signs came down at 601 Eighth Avenue and were replaced by Chase signs in the same blue-and-white color scheme as the Chase branch that had been at the other end of the block all along.

There are other similarities: Both are in low-rise buildings that have billboards on the roof. The advertiser atop No. 601 is Catholic Charities with the words “this is the face of hope.” Atop the other branch, at 615 Eighth Avenue, is the face of the actress Tracey Ullman. That billboard is promoting her new series on the Showtime cable network.

Each of the two branches, it seems, has its fans.

“This one is closer by 50 feet,” said Brad Carter, who works in a digital advertising agency on 39th Street, as he stepped into the former WaMu.

“But I get out of the subway” next to the other branch, “so it depends on whether it’s the beginning of the day or the end of the day.”

Ikey Erani, who owns a Verizon Wireless store on West 40th Street, said as he left the branch at 615 Eighth Avenue that he never walked the extra block to the former WaMu.

“I thought they should combine both, and make it bigger,” he said.

Which branch is better?

Michael Colon is the man in the middle — the middle of the block, anyway.

He is a salesman at the Payless Shoe Source at 609 Eighth Avenue. He said he began as a WaMu customer and long did his banking at the branch at 601 Eighth Avenue. After Chase took control of WaMu, he tried the one at No. 615. He took a Solomonic approach to his answer.

“You get faster service at that one,” he said, “but better service” at No. 601.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/a-block-where-chase-has-the-corners-covered/#more-119033

antinimby
January 12th, 2010, 01:52 PM
“I thought they should combine both, and make it bigger,” he said.New Yorkers are idiots. In this day and age, you don't ask for bigger bank branches. You pray they shut down.

Ninjahedge
January 12th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Bigger for what? :confused:

MidtownGuy
January 12th, 2010, 04:25 PM
Bank branches that I enter tend to have a lot of unused or poorly used space inside of them...whenever I go into a bank there are multiple teller windows empty, with many desks spaced out luxuriously and also mostly empty.
They should be shrunk, not expanded.:D I mean, how much space do ya need to push numbers around?

stache
January 12th, 2010, 05:16 PM
I rarely go inside my bank, maybe 2/3 times a year. I just use the machines.

Derek2k3
January 13th, 2010, 12:01 AM
They should be relegated to the second story, along with Duane Reades and other chain stores. Street level presence should be limited to two ATM's, a stair, and an elevator.

Ninjahedge
January 13th, 2010, 10:55 AM
They should be relegated to the second story,

Agree 100%.

The banks should have ATM's handy, but these HUGE front exposures are worthless. Now I know that 1 Union Square (is that the addy?) is a BOA building, but do they REALLY need a branch that large in the base? You would think they would have something smaller and classier, not all open and looking sort of like an Apple store........

lofter1
January 13th, 2010, 11:11 AM
The problem is that you have storefronts / retail spaces that are often 25' wide and 100' deep. If you put ATMs downstairs in only part of that space what do you do with the rest of that street level slot where the sidewalk frontage has been minimized?

stache
January 13th, 2010, 11:14 AM
Buddy booths! :p

Stroika
January 13th, 2010, 11:47 AM
I fully agree with all of you -- that bank branches don't "need" the space they have, can be on the second floor, etc., etc. But you realize that banks don't think, or pretend, that they need any of that to run their operations.

They realize that none of this is in any way a core part of their business -- it's all advertising. If you see Chase ATMs everywhere, there's a greater chance you'll put your money with them to avoid paying ATM fees all the time. The obvious response is, "Why don't they just have ATMs on the street, rather than taking up three corners of each intersection?" The logic, presumably, is that nobody would notice those. So bank "branches" (though nobody really actually uses the "services" offered) are overly spacious, on prominent corners, and on the first floors of buildings. They're the most expensive ad campaigns in the city.

Of course, if there were no ATM fees, none of this would be needed. You'd choose a bank based on its offerings, not based on the number of ATMs it has. Though banks might still find a need to have lots of advertising, even without the draw of the ATMs.

In times like this, I'd say a regulation on the number of these zombie bank branches per block would be a good idea. But then again, you might then have a much higher vacancy rate, and more landowners failing to find tenants and subsequently maintain their buildings ... resulting in older tenements falling into disrepair and torn down. Not necessarily likely, but the Law of Unintended Consequences is a nasty one...

Ninjahedge
January 13th, 2010, 01:51 PM
I say limit the allowable bank fees for ATM's.

25˘ for a bank-to-bank transfer/withdrawal (free online at most places) and $1 for privately owned ATM's.


I just get tired of the BS and take my $$ in larger chunks. $2 fee is a PITA on $20, but it is next to nothing on $200.

antinimby
January 13th, 2010, 01:58 PM
The problem is that you have storefronts / retail spaces that are often 25' wide and 100' deep. If you put ATMs downstairs in only part of that space what do you do with the rest of that street level slot where the sidewalk frontage has been minimized?Don't put an ATM there then.

:rolleyes:

Derek2k3
January 13th, 2010, 07:08 PM
The 125th Street rezoning restricts first floor bank spaces in new buildings. They need to take it to the next level (pun intended) and apply this to the rest of the city.

They can't pretend to not notice. Broadway across from city hall is bank branch central.


Zoning Restricts Bank Branches on 125th Street
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/zoning-restricts-bank-branches-on-125th-street/

Ninjahedge
January 14th, 2010, 09:35 AM
Loft, I agree that the proposal we have is difficult for a brownstone storefront, but a lot of them we are seeing today are not 25' wide, they are 50', 75'. They dominate the block and strip it of all life.

What needs to start happening is that banks need to blend. You should see the logo, but the bank itself fits with the rest of the buisnesses (and no, I do not mean bring in a bunch of Cell Phone stores and DR's to make it feel at home!!!! ;) ).

There are a few odd exceptions that seem to work well, like the one bank that shows it's huge (cosmetic?) vault door through its side windows, but those are rare. Most look like DMV buildings or mens bathrooms (pick your stall and stand there).

Would it kill them to share space with something like a Coffee shop? (God knows we need another Starbucks! ;) )

Merry
February 2nd, 2010, 05:42 AM
...well, it appears that the opposite is the case here.


In a Slice of the Bronx, No Banks in Sight, for Now

By SAM DOLNICK

It is difficult to walk very far in Manhattan without passing a bank branch or two, as well as someone sighing that, thanks to the banks, every street now looks the same.

But some parts of the city are nothing like that, and Van Nest, in the Bronx, is such a place. In the one-square-mile neighborhood between Morris Park and the Bronx River Parkway, Chase and Citibank do not compete on every block — or any block, for that matter.

Over the last decade, the number of bank branches across the city has soared, with new locations opening in wealthy and poor neighborhoods alike, offering access to savings accounts and credit that experts say can help alleviate poverty. In many areas, the problem is not that there are too few banks, but that many people do not use the banks that are there.

But the banking push still has not reached Van Nest. The last bank in the area closed its doors more than 10 years ago; a Dunkin’ Donuts occupies its space.

For businesses and residents here, the lack of a bank is an inconvenience that is foreign to most New Yorkers. But it is also a problem that elected officials and advocates say has stunted the business community and hurt neighborhood residents, especially the elderly, who have to travel to other neighborhoods for the simplest of transactions.

John Blattner, who walks with a cane, has to take the bus to Morris Park to cash a check if he wants to avoid heavy fees at the local check-cashing store.
Marco Muccitelli, the owner of a local deli, drives to another neighborhood to get change from the bank. He is understandably reluctant to walk there, because he often carries large sums of money since his business deals mostly in cash.

“You can’t trust anybody these days, never mind walking around with that much money,” Mr. Muccitelli said. A trip to the bank takes at least 30 minutes, he said, “and that’s less time I’m spending at my business.”

The Bronx has fewer bank branches than any borough except for Staten Island. As of last June, there were 154 bank branches in the Bronx, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, compared with 701 in Manhattan, 428 in Queens, 343 in Brooklyn and 104 on Staten Island.

Van Nest is not the only neighborhood with too few banks. In a 2008 study, researchers with the Pew Charitable Trusts found large areas of the central and South Bronx where check-cashing stores far outnumbered bank branches. They also identified similar areas on Staten Island, but residents there are much more likely to own a vehicle than those who live in the Bronx, making it easier to travel outside their communities.

The leaders of Van Nest recognize there are worse hardships; after all, several bank branches sit a mile up the road in Morris Park. But for community advocates, the banking industry’s longstanding snub of Van Nest illustrates the decline of a New York that was once more supportive of mom-and-pop stores, and more welcoming of neighborhood quirks.

“New York is losing all its individuality,” said Bobby Ruggiero, head of the local merchants’ association. “Our impression is that Mayor Bloomberg’s focus is on Target, Home Depot, huge gigantic box stores. It’s a sign of the times, but it’s also being personified by the mayor.”

Van Nest has its gritty patches, but it retains a small-town feel somewhat removed from the rest of the city. One- and two-family homes with small, sagging porches line the curving blocks. Dead-ends abound, forming unusual quiet spaces in a borough not known for them. Streets carry the names of somewhat obscure American presidents: Van Buren runs parallel to Fillmore and Garfield Streets.

Italian and Irish families used to fill the neighborhood, but Asian and Hispanic immigrants have changed the demographics. Still, old Italian men gather every morning at Conti’s Pastry Shoppe, open since 1921, to chat over a cup of coffee and share something sweet.

State Senator Jeffrey D. Klein, who represents the area, said Van Nest’s banking problem is one reason the business community is less vibrant than neighboring Morris Park’s, which can boast of several bank branches.
“I don’t think you can have a thriving business community without a bank in the area,” Mr. Klein said. “They really need a bank to serve as the anchor for the community.”

Change happens slowly in Van Nest, but there are signs now, for the first time in years, that the neighborhood’s banking drought may soon be ending.
In December, Mr. Klein invited representatives from several banks to meet with local business leaders to discuss opportunities in the area.

The bank officials listened to the Van Nest residents explain their hunger for a local branch, and responded, some more politely than others, that the community was not in their plans. The rejection was uniform — except for one dissenter: Cross County Federal Savings Bank, a small bank based in Queens.

“We were very intrigued by the opportunity,” said Antonio Quesada, an official with Cross County, which has no branches in the Bronx. He said his bank’s approach of offering simple services at low rates would work in Van Nest, bringing fresh life into the neighborhood.

“We’re looking at being a catalyst,” he said. “We simply believe that bringing a financial institution in now will create a level of validity that the business community has tried to establish for the last 20 years.”

Mr. Quesada said that Cross County, with the help of local officials, would apply for the state’s Banking Development District fund, which is intended to encourage banks to invest in underserved areas. If approved, the state government would deposit $10 million in the bank at a generous interest rate, among other incentives.

Many people in Van Nest have rallied around the idea of a bank, holding onto it as a sign of changes to come.

“It sends out a signal like there’s actually life in the neighborhood,” said Mr. Ruggiero, the fourth-generation owner of a funeral parlor in Van Nest. “We won’t be that ‘sleepy’ neighborhood anymore.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/01/nyregion/01vannest.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Ninjahedge
February 2nd, 2010, 09:10 AM
several bank branches sit a mile up the road in Morris Park

Have we become THAT lazy a community that 1 mile seems like a marathon?

I can understand where that might be a problem for the man with a cane, but 1 mile?

They make it sound like they have to go 10 miles out of their way to cash a check!

NYC is just not used to distances beyond a few blocks. Different neighborhoods are a world away!