No More Pianoman?

[Jasonik]

Say it ain't so, Piano...

[Alonzo-ny]

Meerkat and Kliq have also gone. The site has a different feel these days. Im not surprised people are leaving.

[Ninjahedge]

I think people just get bored and move on.

The tough thing is, this site does not easily attract individuals. the blessing and curse of being non-commercial I guess!

[Alonzo-ny]

Kliq had been here for years. The site is alot different than it was even 6 months ago maybe. Its not the same as it was since i joined. It was alway sthe best place for info and intelligent conversation but I feel it has degenerated somewhat. Good vets have left and been replaced by ignorant posters. It doesnt help that certain anglophobes have carte blanche to do whatever they please with immunity.

[Jasonik]

Maybe it's as simple as people actually doing work while at their desks (rather than post here) because of the poor economy and downsizing threats...

[Alonzo-ny]

Doubt it. People have their own time. I dont post here during the day.

[Front_Porch]

I feel like I come back to say "hi" to you guys, but the site is not as effective a generator of clients as it was a year ago ... usurped by streeteasy, maybe?

The demographics have also changed significantly. "Moving to New York," a thread which used to attract relocating renters with six-figure incomes, has devolved into a repeating loop of students trying to move to New York on $20,000 a year . . .

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[Fabrizio]

I noticed the slow down a while ago and now mostly devote my energy on the forum to cars and the Atlantic City boardwalk. Which actually for me has been pretty positive... I feel like I'm 12 again. I'm thinking of starting a thread about the Monkees.

But look, the election is over... there's been a turn-down in the economy, less new projects anounced, so I think the forum reflects that.

---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxz_JBuyF4I

[Alonzo-ny]

That may be party it but moderation chased away a couple of people and the quality of the forum especially in the architecture thread has gone way down and we have a few SSC-esque posters now. The kind that would disappear quickly before but now are sticking around. Its a shame to come to this site and read dribble.

[NoyokA]

The forum has been moving at a slower pace but that has alot to do with the election being over and development at a standstill, a few months ago it seemed as though every time I visited the forum I was greeted with a new development, since then there's been no new projects and just the occasional update on existing ones. This being a free public forum people naturally come and go, the recent departure of forum members is by no means out of the ordinary, since I've joined 7 years ago many posters that I've thoroughly enjoyed corresponding with have left, and many more I'm sure will leave in the future.

[lofter1]

So much in NYC has ground to a halt that we have little to scream about, as CURBED noted today:

Plunge in demolition permits further signals development slowdown (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/demolition-permits-plunge-in-november-signal-development-slowdown) [Real Deal]

Hope all is A-OK, Pianoman ...

[lofter1]

Observation: I first used the "Ignore List" feature about 3 months ago ...

[BrooklynRider]

I think the forum goes in cycles. I was very caught up in my job and the election. That kept me from the forum from a while. I'm reading threads, but I'm not as moved to glibly comment on things.

For me, I feel that we are seeing buildings rising incrementally and there's no vigor in that. We lost West Side Yards, Atlantic Yards is stalled, Coney Island is sounding a death knell, Downtown Brooklyn has a relatively tall core of buildings going up, but it is all architecturally numbing. WTC is moving, but at street level it seems a snails pace.

I think there has been some blowback, because we are recognizing the financial and real estate shams that brought the economy to this point. We always asked "who is affording these apartments?" Now we know. NO ONE. It's all speculators and wannabes.

I see ads for multiple buildings everyday on every subway line heading into and out of Manhattan. My friends see them, too. We want to know who their target audience might be. So much capital expended on housing for a segment of the population that has little interest in laying roots in a community and being a part of a community.

I do find it all rather depressing at times.

[Schadenfrau]

That may be party it but moderation chased away a couple of people and the quality of the forum especially in the architecture thread has gone way down and we have a few SSC-esque posters now. The kind that would disappear quickly before but now are sticking around. Its a shame to come to this site and read dribble.

I'm not sure on the definition of "party it," but I'm pretty confident that you meant "drivel" for the last word there.

[Schadenfrau]

I think there has been some blowback, because we are recognizing the financial and real estate shams that brought the economy to this point. We always asked "who is affording these apartments?" Now we know. NO ONE. It's all speculators and wannabes.

I see ads for multiple buildings everyday on every subway line heading into and out of Manhattan. My friends see them, too. We want to know who their target audience might be. So much capital expended on housing for a segment of the population that has little interest in laying roots in a community and being a part of a community.

I do find it all rather depressing at times.

And I can't agree with you more here, BR.

[scumonkey]

I first used the "Ignore List" feature about 3 months ago ...
but darn that "view post" button :cool:

[Alonzo-ny]

I'm not sure on the definition of "party it," but I'm pretty confident that you meant "drivel" for the last word there.

God you hate typos don't you, 'part of it' is what i was going for. Nope I meant dribble, I think it explains itself. Thats an example of the pedantic nature of how the site is now. It seems everyone is so bored around here with no projects to really comment on that everyone is picking on every little insignificant detail.

[Alonzo-ny]

The ignore feature is pointless because I still know when I see the persons name that they have just posted rubbish.

[ablarc]

Observation: I first used the "Ignore List" feature about 3 months ago ...
How does this work, and what is its advantage?

[ablarc]

moderation chased away a couple of people
Oxymoronic?

[ablarc]

Oh, and ... pianoman ... come back!

[ablarc]

We still have Jasonik to ask interesting questions about anchovies.

But it's true ... things need a little livening up.

Where's MidtownGuy?

[stache]

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19107

[Ninjahedge]

I'm not sure on the definition of "party it," but I'm pretty confident that you meant "drivel" for the last word there.

Partly.

[Ninjahedge]

God you hate typos don't you, 'part of it' is what i was going for. Nope I meant dribble, I think it explains itself. Thats an example of the pedantic nature of how the site is now. It seems everyone is so bored around here with no projects to really comment on that everyone is picking on every little insignificant detail.

Please don't use the word "pedantic".

I think Futurecity used up the lease on that word!!! ;)

[Ninjahedge]

How does this work, and what is its advantage?

It makes it a little easier to ignore someone's posts. It turns their posts into just a header and a tag-text saying "view post".

If you really want to BBS-Rubberneck, you can click on it and still see it, but that is up to you.

It also blocks PM's from that person. Something that can prove useful when push comes to pedantic. ;)

[lofter1]

The anti-pedantry movement is a ruse to cover up a multitude of sins (mis-spelling, clouded thinking, wacko grammar).

It seems to be popular in Alaska and areas along the Appalachian ridge.

[lofter1]

A "Make this Fool Invisible" function would be far better than the mere "Ignore List" option :cool:

[Schadenfrau]

God you hate typos don't you, 'part of it' is what i was going for. Nope I meant dribble, I think it explains itself. Thats an example of the pedantic nature of how the site is now. It seems everyone is so bored around here with no projects to really comment on that everyone is picking on every little insignificant detail.

I don't hate typos as much as I'm trying to point out that if you're going to whine about how this/that/other everyone else is, you should probably get your own house in order. And no, you didn't mean "dribble."

[Jasonik]

Maybe Pianoman left because of all the petty bitchiness?

[Alonzo-ny]

I don't hate typos as much as I'm trying to point out that if you're going to whine about how this/that/other everyone else is, you should probably get your own house in order. And no, you didn't mean "dribble."

God you are quite sad. The Y is right next to the T I must have pressed both at once. You must be an idiot if you took what I typed as what I meant. Yes I meant dribble, I can use whatever word I want to describe something. I dont know who you think you are telling what I meant. This is exactly the kind of crap Im getting sick of around here.

[Jasonik]

Mee-Ow!

Cool it bitches.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Dribble...kibble...mee-ow.

Threads move toward holism, or they fly apart and die.

[stache]

And no, you didn't mean "dribble."

Perhaps he actually did 'dribble'. :eek:

[Ninjahedge]

Maybe Pianoman left because of all the petty bitchiness?

It's not petty!!!!!!




wait a sec......... ;)

[Fabrizio]

There's a thread about anchovy if anyone's interested.

[Jasonik]

“Gemeinschaft und Gesellschaft”

[ZippyTheChimp]

There's a thread about anchovy if anyone's interested.An exceptionally holistic thread pulls others into its orbit.

You're missing good stuff, Pianoman.

[Ninjahedge]

Can you dribble drivel?

Can you only dribble with one hand? Or can you be called for walking drivel or is it double driveling?

Is it legal to drivel while drunk?

Does an idiots computer come with a hard drivel?

Do the French have drivel? Do they pronounce it differently? Is it their own or do they just cook it slightly differently and call it their own?


/me is confused.

[Fabrizio]

“Gemeinschaft und Gesellschaft”

Writing in French is a clever way of getting around the moderators. Something about someone getting the shaft.

I think it was directed to you Ninjahedge.

(In Italian we say: "vai a fare in culo".)

[Ninjahedge]

:confused:


8. Bender notes that for a long time a significant, if not the most significant strand of modern social science scholarship has been concerned with Ferdinand Tonnies' (don't forget the umlaut over the o--there might even be an umlaut over the u in umlaut, I do forget that) late Nineteenth Century distinction between Gemeinshaft and Gesellshaft (traditional community of personal relations and modern contractual society of impersonal relations).

http://www.brynmawr.edu/Acads/GSSW/schram/sw14691102.html

[Jasonik]

ROTFL!!! *my eyes weep*

[Front_Porch]

I love anchovies.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[ablarc]

The site has a different feel these days. Im not surprised people are leaving.


I think people just get bored and move on.


The tough thing is, this site does not easily attract individuals. the blessing and curse of being non-commercial I guess!
Well, if not individuals ... then what? What exactly do you mean?


The site is alot different than it was even 6 months ago maybe. Its not the same as it was since i joined. It was alway sthe best place for info and intelligent conversation but I feel it has degenerated somewhat. Good vets have left and been replaced by ignorant posters.
Prognosis?


I noticed the slow down a while ago and now mostly devote my energy on the forum to cars and the Atlantic City boardwalk. Which actually for me has been pretty positive... I feel like I'm 12 again.
Confound it, where are your slippers?


But look, the election is over... there's been a turn-down in the economy, less new projects anounced, so I think the forum reflects that.
Should we just bag it and come back when the economy returns?


The forum has been moving at a slower pace but that has alot to do with the election being over and development at a standstill, a few months ago it seemed as though every time I visited the forum I was greeted with a new development, since then there's been no new projects and just the occasional update on existing ones. This being a free public forum people naturally come and go, the recent departure of forum members is by no means out of the ordinary, since I've joined 7 years ago many posters that I've thoroughly enjoyed corresponding with have left, and many more I'm sure will leave in the future.
Maybe we should find a new topic to replace architecture, which is apparently hibernating. Is anyone interested in sex?

[Alonzo-ny]

Unless things change this site will be a small scale SSC with a more intimate touch. You will know personally the posters who annoy the hell out of you.

[ablarc]

You will know personally the posters who annoy the hell out of you.
More than now?

[ablarc]

Say it ain't so, Piano...
Last Activity: October 14th, 2008 09:03 PM

[Alonzo-ny]

More than now?

In comparison to SSC, where it is a million anonymous posters who annoy the hell out of you. To speak only of this site you will know personally more people who annoy the hell out of you, and less who you enjoy. Alot of the vets I enjoy reading have gone or dont post much anymore. Ive had bust ups with several moderators and I think its down to the boredom of not having as many interesting posts anymore, plus an influx of ignorant posts. Im sorry to say it has also brought down the standard of my own posting way down.

[Jasonik]

Optimism is key. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0CfqUs-oD0)

[Alonzo-ny]

To speak of Pianoman, I remember he was basically singled out on a couple of threads by a couple of posters and not treated very well, Im not sure if that has anything to do with him going.

[NYatKNIGHT]

What's been pretty steady over the years: valued members leave, good new members join. Good and valued members take time off then return.

We don't usually know the reasons people leave - let's just hope everything is okay with pianoman. Didn't he take a leave of absence before? Maybe he's just busy.

And where's ManhattanKnight?

[NoyokA]

Maybe we should find a new topic to replace architecture, which is apparently hibernating. Is anyone interested in sex?

Maybe a LondonLawyer Forum. But if you want sex you have an endless resource on the internet how could we compete with that?

[ZippyTheChimp]

Zippy to the rescue.



A nice pair of tits. (http://www.ghmahoney.org.uk/photography/Photos/Birds/slides/IMG_0281.jpg)

[Zephyr]

... à propos, seulement plus obscurcir. (http://robertarood.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/tetons.jpg)

[ablarc]

^ Those mountains used to have more snow.

[kz1000ps]

Pianoman has disappeared from time to time before. Without going through his "view all posts" page, I believe the last time was over the summer (or maybe it was summer 2007?) when he was absent for three or so months straight. He's probably just overly busy with school work right now.

And I'm with alonzo regarding the exasperation I feel with a pair of SSP/SSC transplants (we all know who) that've driven the quality of postings way, way down. Boy, what I'd do to have an ignore function that actually allows you to truly and completely ignore them..

[NoyokA]

Lets not forget that we've had these quality of posters before. TalB used to post here (REBUILD THE TWIN TOWERS!!!!!), emeeka(and emeeka's son), PHLguy(how come its not taller, NYC's dead!), and Punzie petz forum mcgee. They (A) get banned or (B) become uninterested in the forum due to its intelligent discussion, the intelligent discussion is our end of the bargain, so if you want certain members gone either ignore them or just bring the discussions up a notch.

[Alonzo-ny]

The problem is they normally dont make it past a couple hundred posts but one of them is actually a vet now. The ignore function doesnt ignore the fact that they are bring this site down. Whether you ignore their posts or not, they are possibly preventing new, intelligent users from signing up.

[ablarc]

And I'm with alonzo regarding the exasperation I feel with a pair of SSP/SSC transplants (we all know who) that've driven the quality of postings way, way down.


if you want certain members gone either ignore them or just bring the discussions up a notch.


The problem is they normally dont make it past a couple hundred posts but one of them is actually a vet now.
Wow, how come I can't identify who these guys are?



(Must be getting dense.)

[stache]

Boy, what I'd do to have an ignore function that actually allows you to truly and completely ignore them..

I have found in the past that the ignore function worked very well. The failure comes in the human curiosity that comes with clicking 'view post'. ;) Sometimes you can get your jollies by reading something from the ignored person that was quoted.

[ablarc]

Can't you ignore someone without using the ignore function?

[stache]

You can but all of his/her posts will show up on your monitor.

[ZippyTheChimp]

The Ignore Function is an act of recognition.

[stache]

I don't follow what you're saying(?)

[ZippyTheChimp]

"This message is hidden because [forum member] is on your ignore list."

It's almost funny.

[Ninjahedge]

IOW:

"PSSST! You are ignoring this guy, remember! Don't look! Don't press that "view post" tag!!!!!"

;)

Abl, what I mean by individuals is in the generic sense. We do not attract people, individuals, posters, members, readers, etc etc etc.

This site is a word-of-mouth/google site. I am not too aware of any direct links or ads, and, quite frankly, I even forget how I came upon it!!!!!!

Many sites go like this, I think this one is just in a hiatus, not a death knell by any means. Unfortunately, I have seen this happen to many of the sites I have posted on. They either grow too popular and attract a crowd you do not sync with, or the crowd you DO sync with eventually grows apart and leaves.

I think we should accept it as it is, stop bemoaning the fact that things change, and try to make sure that the changes that happen here help the site evolve, not devolve.

[ZippyTheChimp]

This site is a word-of-mouth/google site. I am not too aware of any direct links or ads, and, quite frankly, I even forget how I came upon it!!!!!!Don't underestimate this.

At this moment, there are 254 Guests and Web Crawlers browsing the forum.

The Bots methodically comb through the forum, updating links for search engines.

[lofter1]

Has general viewership at WNY fallen off to any significant degree over the past few months?

[Ninjahedge]

Don't underestimate this.

At this moment, there are 254 Guests and Web Crawlers browsing the forum.

The Bots methodically comb through the forum, updating links for search engines.


I am not underestimating it, I am saying that the smaller the core you have, the less word-of-mouth you get.

So searches may work, but unless everyone else is not talking about the same thing, it is hard to be the top one on the list when looking for, say, WT Memorial when everyone is talking about it (and probably more-so than here, although with less content).

I am NOT saying we should try and get more attention, just that that is where we are, and why there seems to be such a small group of new productive posters coming here to share their insights....

[ZippyTheChimp]

I am not underestimating it, I am saying that the smaller the core you have, the less word-of-mouth you get.And I'm saying that more people have arrived here via the internet than personal referrals.

It's a matter of volume.

[kz1000ps]

^ I surfed in via Google back in the spring of '03 (actually, I think I was still using Alta Vista back then, LOL), and I've only once face-to-face referred someone to this site.


Wow, how come I can't identify who these guys are?

(Must be getting dense.)

Count yourself lucky. I was aware of them before they came here, so perhaps I'm just more sensitive to 'em.


"This message is hidden because [forum member] is on your ignore list."

It's almost funny.

Exactly. I find it more exasperating of an experience to actually use the function (You are ignoring this person! You are ignoring this person!...ad nauseum) than to do without it. Plus, my personality doesn't allow me to gloss over the "this message is hidden" thing.. I just have to see what kooky/insipid thing they've written this time :rolleyes:

[lofter1]

Something kookier and more insipid, usually :mad:

What's up with the influx? Have they cancelled 7th grade or something?

[ZippyTheChimp]

I came to the forum toward the end of the the first year. It was small and informal, but it had as many "active" posters as it does now (I'll explain in a minute). There was no need for moderators, but that quickly changed. We each took responsibility for one or more sub-forums, but we had little editing capability. Mostly, we dug out source material for new threads.

At some point in 2003, there was a big influx of new members from several of the Rebuild the Twin Towers forums that were common at that time. I forget who, but someone remarked, "Our quiet little corner of the internet is gone." Most of those people are long gone, but others who joined during that big wave are still here, and some who were here at the beginning are either gone or not active.

The point about active posters is that there usually seems to be between 10 and 20 members on line. Except for a few unusual circumstances, I don't recall a time when there were more. And although there are now almost 600 active members, about 50 people have made almost half of the quarter million posts. When one of them stops posting for whatever reason, it leaves a noticeable hole.

Any change in the forum is nothing unusual. It's been going on since the beginning.

[Jasonik]

Yeah, I came in the 2003 wave and have gone missing for long stretches at a time since.

It kind of hit me that Pianoman had left when there was what seemed like quite a while of Kris posting Paul Krugman columns in the Financial Crisis (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?p=262944#post262944) thread without his comments about the situation.

[kz1000ps]

I came to the forum toward the end of the the first year. It was small and informal...

Two months ago I bruised one of my ribs and was out of work for about two weeks. During that time I went back to page one of the Skyscrapers & Architecture sub-forum and worked my way back on up to the present, reading a good two thirds of all the old threads (I skipped a bunch of the fragmental WTC threads, but otherwise I ambitiously read 'em all), and I was really struck by how small the core group of posters was back then -- Derek, NYatKnight, gulcrapek, Christian/Kris, noharmony/Edward, Stern, Zippy, and that was about it.

All the older pictures were great, but what I really came to enjoy was going through the old discussions, as they read like a few buddies shooting the shit at a bar. It was a noticeably different dynamic from today's norm.

P.S. it's too bad the old Soaringtowers galleries aren't still up. Gulcrapek had so many old photo walk threads where all the image links were dead. I guess that's digital decay for ya..

[Ninjahedge]

I just tried to find my first post, but it is only going back as far as 2006.....

I forget how I came here, but I have been reccommending people at work, friends and others to this site, by word of mouth or E-mail for quite a while.

I have also mentioned and linked this place to other trusted websites (in posts, not as an official permanent link).

I have not seen too many come on in any form that I can recognise though, although some may be surfers and others anonymous, point being that it is difficult to get a lot of people to register just from googling. Not impossible, but not easy.

Also, I do not think this ite ever reached a "critical mass" that made its name well known enough for people to try it simply by "hearing about it from somewhere". There are many that had that, one I go to, Tomshardware, was pretty muck known only by references and cross-linking. since then it has gotten more attention.


Exceptions to the rule? Usually shopping/bargain sites. Fatwallet and Dealtaker are two that got theirs primarily from people doing searches on the web for, well, deals.


But, whatever. We are all entitled to our opinions on this, and while we may know what brings most of the people here, it is difficult to ascertain what does not.

[ZippyTheChimp]

I forget how I came here, but I have been reccommending people at work, friends and others to this site, by word of mouth or E-mail for quite a while.Are any here; and do you know anyone here from a time before you joined?


point being that it is difficult to get a lot of people to register just from googling. Not impossible, but not easy.Right now there are over 300 "guests" browsing the forum; one of them is trying to send me a PM. Over 16,000 people have registered, and that doesn't take into account those that are content to frequently visit without registering. How do you think the majority got here?


Also, I do not think this ite ever reached a "critical mass" that made its name well known enough for people to try it simply by "hearing about it from somewhere".What amount of critical mass is needed for the forum to operate? If you're referring to a place such as SSP, that is no longer a single forum. Right now, there are over 300 members online at SSP. While the moderators here are familiar with almost all posters, even those that visit infrequently, that's impossible at SSP.

As I observed, WNY functions today much as it did in the beginning, by the participation of a core group of members. While that lends itself to a noticeable change in character when someone leaves, the void is easily filled by someone latching on from the thousands who visit.

Look at the difference Brianac has made. I should send him a bottle of wine.

[Alonzo-ny]

But what about the new posters in the architecture forum who feel quite at home now and completely ruin that forum? There are maybe 5 posters who just post crap continually. And what about the long time posters who stay away because of GT? There are more than one.

[NoyokA]

What about them?

You can either ignore them through the ignore function or just skip over their posts (what I do). I don't see what the big deal is if someone is posting fluff I just gloss over it, never respond to them, and continue the intelligent discussion amongst other forum members.

I don't see why it bothers you so much. And there's nothing we can do about. What do you suggest, we ban these members because they don't meet your intelligence requirement?

[Ninjahedge]

Alonzo, you can't let them bother you too much.

I have not been to the architecture thread, and I do not want to bring the other topic up (as it will get to the same argumentative conclusion as the last thread that mentioned it).

But Stern is right in that you can ignore those people, and you should! You are not a mod! You do not NEED to read everything! And, hopefully, by ignoring what they are posting and keeping OT with the more reliable posters, hopefully the air-heads will either learn a bit more about architecture, or leave to where their comments would be received better.

So, not to quote myself but, whatever. If you let it bother you and respond, 99% of the time it will not push things in the way you want them to go. OK, maybe 98%. So maybe it is up to us, instead of complaining about teh Xenophobes, NIMBY'S, airheads, or contrary posters to just keep trying to post good stuff ourselves and hope that our sources never truly run dry.

[Alonzo-ny]

Its not about intelligence quotients. Im countering Zippy's assertion about Brianac, who is a great addition, but for 1 of him more than 5 good posters have gone (for whatever reasons) and a few of these new posters have taken away alot of the intelligent discussion that was there. If I ignore it then there is almost nothing to read in some cases. I dont visit websites to have to skip over mind numbing crap but I keep coming here in the hope of the old content that used to be great everyday will be here. Worst of all it drag us into it, Ive noticed other veterans, including myself, cant help but be dragged to their level

Im not going to try and ignore my problems away, I dont know what can be done but its better out there than not. This forum is better than this.

[Jasonik]

I dont visit websites to have to skip over mind numbing crap but I keep coming here in the hope of the old content that used to be great everyday will be here... This forum is better than this.
We can't do it without you. Start with something you can control - and stop posting the same "mind numbing" lament about no decent content that we keep having to "skip over".

WHY DON'T YOU SET AN EXAMPLE AND POST SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED GREAT CONTENT AND STOP WITH THE BELLYACHING ALREADY!

[stache]

I'm a Mod and I don't even try to read every single post.

[Alonzo-ny]

We can't do it without you. Start with something you can control - and stop posting the same "mind numbing" lament about no decent content that we keep having to "skip over".

WHY DON'T YOU SET AN EXAMPLE AND POST SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED GREAT CONTENT AND STOP WITH THE BELLYACHING ALREADY!

Ok guys rant over, I promise.

[TREPYE]

We can't do it without you. Start with something you can control - and stop posting the same "mind numbing" lament about no decent content that we keep having to "skip over".

WHY DON'T YOU SET AN EXAMPLE AND POST SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED GREAT CONTENT AND STOP WITH THE BELLYACHING ALREADY!

Thank you Jasonik...

[dtolman]

I just tried to find my first post, but it is only going back as far as 2006.....


Wasn't there a forum meltdown and all posts before that lost, way back when? What year does the archive stop because of that? I remember lurking for many moons before the forum reset...

[kz1000ps]

November to December 2001.

[NYatKNIGHT]

^Yes, some of us should have an asterisk next to our post count.

[Ninjahedge]

???

Well, since that happend in 2K1, 2 years before I was here, i do not think that is the case.

I was just wondering if maybe it arcgived some of the posts before a certain date.

I think my posts go back to sometime around mid 2006 and then they do not list any earlier. Do you think they woudl be archived or something? That woudl explain why they would not be readily available from a simple search......

[lofter1]

I'm willing to sell off some of my post count to anyone who wants to enlarge their portfolio.

Mods: Can this be arranged?

[NYatKNIGHT]

I'm willing to sell off some of my post count to anyone who wants to enlarge their portfolio.

Mods: Can this be arranged?

We get a cut.

[Ninjahedge]

I think he has some 2000 year old weed he can spare.......

[ZippyTheChimp]

I'm willing to sell off some of my post countDon't sell Yuri.


to anyone who wants to enlarge their portfolio.Be careful. You sound like Enzyte Bob.
http://toolazytofail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/enzyte1.jpg

Bob (actually Steve Warshak) is headed for the slammer. 25 years for fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering. Several associates, including his 75 year-old mother (terminally ill - suspended sentence) also going to prison.

Trial highlights:

Former company VP James Teegarden testified:
When customers ordered a product, the company's goal was to keep charging their credit cards for as long as possible...

First-time customers were automatically enrolled in a "continuity program" that sent Enzyte to their homes every month and charged their credit cards without authorization...

If customers complained, employees were instructed to "make it as difficult as possible" for them to get their money back.

Warshak required customers to produce a notarized statement from a doctor certifying Enzyte did not work...

it was extremely unlikely someone would get anything notarized saying they had a small penis.

[Jasonik]

Confidence men... *shakes head*

[lofter1]

A Con? How dare you ...

Isn't there some small print somewhere on the WNY Registration Agreement which states that "Post Counts" are viable tender?

[Ninjahedge]

Be careful. You sound like Enzyte Bob.
http://toolazytofail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/enzyte1.jpg


Shouldn't this be moved to "Our New Member"?

[stache]

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[lofter1]

Clear proof ^ that nothing is really off topic, and everything circles around and connects.

It's the forum version of the Kevin Bacon thing.

[Jasonik]

Monism.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Maybe Pianoman is the Enzyte Guy. That would explain his absence.

[Ninjahedge]

But does not explain his small...............attendance.

[stache]

It's cold outside. :p

[brianac]

Perhaps he is held up in traffic.

The Real Piano Man

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/31/nyregion/piano01600.jpg Andrew Henderson/The New York Times
The presence of a live piano player on the streets and sidewalks of Manhattan is met with considerable amazement.


Please come back pianoman.

[Zephyr]

Nearly every website wants the best posters to remain, while gaining good or even better posters to augment them. But it is more likely you will experience what is otherwise labeled as the "net result" of constant change. Moreover, you might ask yourself what is really good or bad. This might not be people you like personally, or have the same level of intelligence (might be higher or lower).

I strongly suspect the good ol' days, defined by a subset of past and still current members here, are a cover for a form of xenophobia rather than a studied reflection of what has actually unfolded here. But what is in a person's mind or heart is not easily determined most times. I remind myself often that I always have options: stay and be selective; leave and seek other outlets; complain about everthing that irks me, or pick and choose. And of course this is not a definitive list.

A vast majority of my posts prior to coming here were on a Canadian website, which was far different from this one, although there was some overlap with certain Architects, and a number of buildings considered. A form of the good ol' days existed there as well, and that I suspect, visits all websites of this type.

[stache]

I strongly suspect the good ol' days, defined by a subset of past and still current members here, are a cover for a form of xenophobia rather than a studied reflection of what has actually unfolded here.

You certainly hit the nail on the head with that statement!

[Hof]

I discovered the site in early September 2001, right after I got back from a trip to The City. I remember posting a few questions about some buildings and commenting on my trip...Then came the 9/11 atrocity.

On the day that everything came down, I tuned my computer into WNY and left it there, bouncing between the TV and the website for news of the disaster. As an ex-Manhattanite, I felt that I was sharing ideas with kindered souls.

Shortly after that period, the site crashed and all the content up to that point disappeared. One of my first posts after that crash was one bemoaning the loss of content, the marvelous archive of pictures, information and opinion that was the reason I came here to begin with. A few of the members assured me that the content would re-emerge and get better than it was pre-crash, and they were right.
Then, as it gradually rebuilt itself it became as informative and as interesting as before.

Over the years I have noticed a certain sophomoic drift in the postings, but I am not disappointed with the overall scope of the content. The site HAS matured to a great degree, familiar posters have come and gone, thousands have discovered WNY and have used it for whatever their needs seemed to be, but it is still one of the most informative, vital sites for all things New York--which really involves a LOT of things--including, but not limited to; architecture, development, urban issues, pizza and where to find fake IDs...

It's all OK.