View Full Version : Cooper Square Hotel - 25 Cooper Square - East Village - by Studio Carlos Zapata
lofter1
February 14th, 2007, 05:29 PM
From today at curbed (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/14/thumbs_up_cooper_square_hotel_revealed.php) ...
Thumbs Up: Cooper Square Hotel Revealed!
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_25CooperSq1.JPG
Wednesday, February 14, 2007
by ROK88
Something big and strange is growing on the corner of The Bowery and 5th Street in the East Village. (No, not the Bowery Hotel (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/12/bowery_hotel_touts_fancy_pillows_styrofoam.php); this is just north of that site.) In what appears to be a case of not-gonna-show-ya-nothin' design, the Peckmoss Group is developing a 23-story, 224 foot tall luxury hotel to be called The Cooper Square Hotel. Okay, pretty ordinary name. But there's a lot about this project that is, in many ways, anything but ordinary.
First, the hotel tower will wrap around an old tenement building that's been on that site since before the days of the Bowery Boys. We linked (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/10/23/monday_pm_linkage.php) that story last fall when the developer backed off and made the tenant a deal. Then they ran into some structural problems (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/08/15/upper_bowerys_final_crackup.php), but it seems that's been worked out too. Now they're in full construction mode.
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_25CooperSq3.JPG
[The Cooper Square Hotel rises on The Bowery above the home of poet Hettie Jones]
Concrete is growing by the yard around that little brick building. Columns go this way, reaching out toward the big blue Sculpture for Living across Cooper Square. Floor plates arc towards the sky and re-bar is growing like tentacles. The architects are the Studio Carlos Zapata and Perkins Eastman Architects. The Zapata group is known for some very dynamic and mind-blowing work (one could spend a good part of an afternoon playing around the Studio Zapata website (http://www.cz-studio.com/flash/)). No ordinary square boxes there. One of Studio Zapata's latest projects is a 68-story glass tower complete with a heli-pad that will go up right in the heart of Ho Chi Minh City. Really.
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_25CooperSq5.JPG
[Studio Zapata's design for the Bitexco Horizon Tower in Ho Chi Minh City]
So, what will Zapata do with this new tower at 25 Cooper Square? Renderings haven't been published and are seemingly impossible to find. And the guys at the Peckmoss Group are aren't giving anything away. But some sleuthy neighbors managed to come across an ethereal looking rendering on a contractor's website. They added some artwork, made copies and started posting those images around the neighborhood. Almost immediately one of the big guys found out and the rendering was pulled from cyberspace but pronto. So here's something of a sneak peak. (Actually it does look like a thumb. A ghost's thumb, all white and smokey and, well, bulbous. The Bowery Boys wouldn't know what to make of it.)
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_25CooperSq4a.JPG
[The "sore thumb" is posted on the site's construction fence]
· Bowery Hotel Touts Fancy Pillows, Styrofoam! (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/12/bowery_hotel_touts_fancy_pillows_styrofoam.php) [Curbed]
· Upper Bowery's Final Crack-Up (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/08/15/upper_bowerys_final_crackup.php) [Curbed]
· Work in Progress (http://www.cz-studio.com/) [Studio Carlos Zapata]
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sfenn1117
February 15th, 2007, 02:43 AM
Wow, I'm shocked to see that design for this small hotel....I would have thought for sure it would be the typical set back Kaufman style we're used to. I hope it turns out great! Even if it doesn't, at least they tried something different.
antinimby
February 15th, 2007, 05:09 AM
I would have thought for sure it would be the typical set back Kaufman style we're used to.Isn't it sad that we've come to the point where Kaufman's style is now what we expect to see. :(
I think it's called getting Kaufman-ized.
ablarc
February 15th, 2007, 07:36 AM
Bowery is coming along very nicely. Give it a little time and plenty more sore thumbs and it'll be quite chic (surprise!).
What's the branch bank situation?
lofter1
February 15th, 2007, 02:30 PM
An update on this hotel from curbed (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/15/cooper_square_hotel_fully_revealed.php) ...
Cooper Square Hotel Fully Revealed
Thursday, February 15, 2007, by ROK88
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02CooperZapata1b.JPG
After we posted yesterday's sneak peak (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/14/thumbs_up_cooper_square_hotel_revealed.php) of the design for the new Cooper Square Hotel going up on The Bowery, an interested citizen sent us this super-secret rendering of the tower that's rising on that site. Er, wow. So that's what Studio Carlos Zapata seems to have in store for that edge of the East Village. Once Cooper Union's old Hewitt Building comes down across the street and Thomas Mayne's new Psychedelic Pleasure Palace (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/10/09/cooper_union_pleasure_palace_update_no_lic.php) goes up in its place, this stretch will be a veritable wall of bright shiny glass—a perfect match for the Avalon'd stretch of the Bowery several blocks south.
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_CooperZapata2a.JPG
[The Cooper Square Hotel plans an outdoor bar for this area along 5th Street]
The developers of the hotel, the Peckmoss Group, originally told the neighbors that this area at the corner of 5th and The Bowery would be a lush garden spot. But it seems the plants might get in the way of the hotel's party plans. The latest word is that the area will get just a wee bit of greenery. But mainly it will be an outdoor lounge—cocktails and ambient music and all. There will be another outdoor bar just above on the second floor. And yet a third bar in the basement. All right outside the neighbors' windows.
One consolation: with Studio Carlos Zapata in charge of the design all these spaces should be very nice to look at. We reported on another Zapata-designed (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2005/07/28/by_all_that_is_holy_in_sofi.php) (but still unbuilt) project a while back. It might give an indication of what's going up here. Below is what they proposed for a 26-story condo on 23rd Street just west of Fifth Avenue.
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http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_CooperZapata4.JPG
[Studio Carlos Zapata's unbuilt plan for a condo development by Horizen Global]
While we're at it let's take a look at some of the interiors that the Zapata gang has done around the world. One thing is for sure. These guys really do know how to play with space.
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_CooperZapata5.JPG
[A Zapata design for a residence in Golden Beach, Florida]
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_CooperZapata6.JPG
http://www.curbed.com/2007_02_CooperZapata7.JPG
[Two views of a house in Quito, Ecuador]
· Thumbs Up: Cooper Square Hotel Revealed! (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/14/thumbs_up_cooper_square_hotel_revealed.php) [Curbed]
· Cooper Union Pleasure Palace Update: No LIC! (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/10/09/cooper_union_pleasure_palace_update_no_lic.php) [Curbed]
· By All That is Holy in SoFi (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2005/07/28/by_all_that_is_holy_in_sofi.php) [Curbed]
NoyokA
February 15th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Zapata is quickly becoming one of my new fave's.
His architecture is a cross between Christian de Portzamparc and Zaha Hadid.
MidtownGuy
February 15th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Very cool. Thanks for posting lofter. As for Hadid, I love her pizzazz!
antinimby
February 16th, 2007, 07:04 AM
I see a bit of Calatrava in their work as well.
This one's almost like a mini Burj al-Arab in Dubai. Just beautiful.
Just the very kind of stuff we need to counterbalance all the ugly Kaufmans going up.
ablarc
February 16th, 2007, 07:42 AM
I see a bit of Calatrava in their work as well.
Calatrava does things with much more rigor: his forms emerge mostly from mathematics, not movements of the hand.
A semblance of inevitability, not impulse.
lofter1
March 9th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Super-luxe hotel is being erected on Cooper Square
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_201/hotel.gif
A rendering of the completed 23-story hotel.
The Villager (http://www.thevillager.com/villager_201/superluxehotelisbeing.html)
By Lincoln Anderson
Volume 76, Number 41
March 7 - 13, 2007
A hotel under construction on the East Village’s edge will embody a new concept of “Downtown Luxury,” according to its developers.
At 23 stories, with 146 rooms, but no name yet, it’s rising at 25-33 Cooper Square at E. Fifth St. The opening is slated for early next year. Peck Moss Hotel Group, led by Gregory Peck, 32, and Matthew Moss, 33, are the developers.
Peck — no relation to the late movie actor of the same name, he assured — said the hotel will feature the most luxurious service and amenities.
“The concept we have for the hotel is something we call ‘Downtown Luxury’ — to design something Downtown, but with a very high level of service reminiscent of the grande dame hotels of Europe,” he said. “We hope it doesn’t come off as trendy, but timeless and mature.”
Peck said the location is a big plus.
“It’s sort of a convergence of several Downtown neighborhoods — Soho, the East Village, Union Square,” he said. “And we’re really excited about what’s going on on the Bowery — it’s going to make it a really vibrant area.
“The hotel’s views are really going to be spectacular,” he added. “There’s not a lot that’s really tall around it.”
Some bloggers on real estate Web sites, however, have mocked the hotel’s white arcing shape, dubbing it “the shark fin,” others even calling it blatantly phallic. But Peck said he and Moss are high on the hotel’s design, which was done by Carlos Zapata.
“Everyone has their opinions,” Peck dismissed. “We think it’s going to be beautiful and a great part of the skyline.
“Our view is if we were building something new, it should be new,” he continued. “I think people will like it — it’s just very sleek. It’s a glass facade, but it will read white: It has fritting,” he said, referring to the specially treated glass.
Rates are projected at $350 to $400 a night, typical for high-end hotels and significantly higher than the city’s $200 average hotel room rate.
The hotel will also have a 2,000-square-foot live-music venue featuring “eclectic music,” a screening room with 30 or 40 seats, “a destination restaurant” and “a couple of bars,” Peck said. There will be a 3,000-square-foot rooftop event space, half enclosed and half open.
The hotel’s clientele likely will be “a lot of fashion- and entertainment-type people,” he said.
Although some neighbors feared the entrance was being planned for Fifth St., Peck said this was never the case.
“The entrance is on Cooper Square — and it always was. And the side entrance is on Fifth St.,” he said. “I think people were afraid there would be deliveries and people coming in on Fifth St.,” he noted.
The project is being built around an existing tenement building, in which two residential tenants declined buyout offers.
“They wanted to stay there and we had no problem with that,” Peck said. The developers purchased the tenement’s air rights, though, allowing them to increase the project’s height.
“It’s all right, because it’s sort of juxtaposing the old and the new,” Peck said of the tenement holdouts. The artist tenants, Hettie Jones — poet Amiri Baraka’s ex-wife — and Kate Abel, occupy the old building’s third and fourth floors. The hotel will use the tenement’s second floor for administrative offices and the ground floor for a library with a fireplace for hotel guests. On Fifth St., to the south of the tenement, will be a street-level garden for the hotel.
When Peck spoke on Feb. 19, the hotel’s steel frame already had been erected to the seventh floor. He said the workers will put up a new floor every two to three workdays and “top out” the building’s frame by this month’s end.
In the industry, the thinking is that the city can use more hotel rooms, Peck said.
“The total number of hotel rooms is about 71,000,” he said. “The city’s been operating at close to 90 percent [hotel room] occupancy for the last two years and there’s no sign of that slowing down. Tourism is at an all-time high. It dipped for a couple of years after 2001, but now we’re back at historical highs.”
© 2007 Community Media, LLC
ZippyTheChimp
March 12th, 2007, 12:33 AM
Cooper Square Hotel
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ablarc
March 12th, 2007, 07:38 AM
^ Background building with exposed floor plates in second shot: Kaufmanesque?
lofter1
March 12th, 2007, 12:53 PM
That ^^^ is housing for seniors that went up in the 80s and is truly one of the most banal and lifeless buildings around. Soon it will be set amidst some amazing architecture.
DOB shows that this site (200-208 East 5th Street aka 1-19 Cooper Square aka 49-55 East 4th Street) had been a parking lot since at least the mid-1950s.
From the "Cooper Square Committee" website (http://www.coopersquare.org/about_history_main.html):
The Cooper Square Committee supported development of senior citizen housing on 5th Street and the Bowery. It was developed in 1985 by a private builder and is now managed by the Jewish Association of Services for the Aged (JASA). CSC works closely with JASA to ensure that it be a racially-integrated building.
antinimby
May 15th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Is it taking shape or not?
You decide for yourself...
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_201/hotel.gif
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/493728452_653356fafd.jpg
By Stu_Jo (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=493728452&size=m) from flicker
sfenn1117
May 15th, 2007, 08:06 PM
The top floors are starting to bend towards the top....in the large photo you can also see notches travel the height of the tower on an angle. The glass will make it easier to see. Infinitely better than a Kaufman.
I wonder if the glass will be fritted.
BrooklynRider
May 15th, 2007, 11:48 PM
I walked by yesterday. That area is all cranes and construction sites!
pianoman11686
June 25th, 2007, 02:38 PM
6/23: The Cooper Square Hotel looks just about topped out.
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sfenn1117
June 25th, 2007, 05:24 PM
Waiting for the glass....overall though I think this is going to turn out to be a quietly stunning building. If all the small hotels going up in the city put this much effort into the design, I'd have no complaints.
And how about that federal-era townhouse next to it :eek:
ZippyTheChimp
July 1st, 2007, 08:00 PM
Cooper Square Hotel
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ablarc
July 2nd, 2007, 08:54 AM
There's a lil ol' Federal building just adjacent.
lofter1
July 21st, 2007, 09:32 PM
This one is topped out and they're rebuilding the canted concrete column that was recently ripped out. Check out that huge overhang at the top on the east side -- gonna be one helluva balcony ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_21a.jpg
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ZippyTheChimp
July 22nd, 2007, 11:03 PM
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lofter1
July 22nd, 2007, 11:08 PM
That terrace up-top of the Cooper Square Hotel ^^^ is going to be one awesome space.
lofter1
August 15th, 2007, 08:02 PM
GLASS !!!
SCOOP -- I believe hese are the FIRST published photos of the glass here :D
(should this building have it's own thread?)
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_23a.jpg
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infoshare
August 15th, 2007, 10:35 PM
GLASS !!!
SCOOP -- I believe hese are the FIRST published photos of the glass here :D
It's not glass: it's a permeable membrane (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173229&postcount=136). ;)
Derek2k3
August 18th, 2007, 11:22 PM
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ibitmylip (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibitmylip/)
londonlawyer
August 18th, 2007, 11:27 PM
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ibitmylip (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibitmylip/)
It's too bad that cheapo-Macklowe can't build something like this.
lofter1
August 19th, 2007, 12:16 PM
More glass at Carlos Zapata's Cooper Square Hotel project ...
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ZippyTheChimp
August 19th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Facade going up. OK, but nothing special.
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stache
August 19th, 2007, 01:13 PM
Maybe it will change once it gets up higher.
NewYorkDoc
August 19th, 2007, 02:52 PM
I don't like this facade at all!
macreator
August 21st, 2007, 11:41 AM
I don't like this facade at all!
I love the shape of this thing, but I'd have to agree with your assessment of the curtainwall. Maybe it'll grow on me --- I didn't like the glass on Gehry's IAC building when it first started to be applied.
stache
August 25th, 2007, 06:25 PM
They put a panel up on the north side of the building. It's the same color as the Verizon reclad.
lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Curbed (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/29/cooper_square_hotel_update_1_indecent_exposures.ph p#more) today ...
Cooper Square Hotel Update #1: Indecent Exposures
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
by ROK88
http://curbed.com/2007_08_CoopSqHotelGlassA1.JPG
How many variations on a theme can architect Carlos Zapata play on the
facade of his new Cooper Square Hotel on The Bowery? We recently
offered that the color scheme here (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/17/cooper_square_hotel_getting_glassed_on_the_bowery. php) seems to echo what went up at the new
Frank Gehry-designed IAC Building (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/08/on_art_and_starchitecture_in_far_west_chelsea.php) across from Chelsea Piers. But our
assessment was a bit premature. What we're seeing at the Cooper Square
Hotel now is far more complex than what was hinted at in the milky (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/15/cooper_square_hotel_fully_revealed.php)
renderings of this many-faceted 23-story tower. Get this insanity:
apparently each exposure has its own glass pattern.
http://curbed.com/2007_08_CoopSqHotelGlassA2.JPG
The south facade of the Zapata's Cooper Square Hotel.
There's white fritted glass on one side, channels of clear glass with overlaid
panels of perforated white screens running up the middle. And did we
mention the green glass (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/07/02/renderingreality_verizon_buildings_nasty_green_glo w.php) facing north? Not sure how it will all come together,
but this could be a nice antidote to that over-decorated (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/07/13/eater_tastings_the_bowery_now_and_forever_magnolia _gets_a_new_sink_and_chickpea_trims_the_fat.php) and
glorified pizza parlor (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/22/wednesday_pm_linkage_weekly_food_edition.php) down the way.
http://curbed.com/2007_08_CoopSqHotelGlassA3.JPG
Perforated panels on the south facade.
http://curbed.com/2007_08_CoopSqHotelGlassA5.JPG
http://curbed.com/2007_08_CoopSqHotelGlassA6.JPG
Green glass facing north at the new Cooper Square Hotel.
· Cooper Square Hotel Getting Glassed on the Bowery (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/17/cooper_square_hotel_getting_glassed_on_the_bowery. php) [Curbed]
· On Art and Starchitecture in Far West Chelsea (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/08/on_art_and_starchitecture_in_far_west_chelsea.php) [Curbed]
· Cooper Square Hotel Fully Revealed (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/15/cooper_square_hotel_fully_revealed.php) [Curbed]
· Eater Tastings: The Bowery, Now and Forever (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/07/13/eater_tastings_the_bowery_now_and_forever_magnolia _gets_a_new_sink_and_chickpea_trims_the_fat.php) [Curbed]
· Weekly Food Edition (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/08/22/wednesday_pm_linkage_weekly_food_edition.php)[Curbed]
· Rendering/Reality: Verizon Building's Nasty Green Glow (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/07/02/renderingreality_verizon_buildings_nasty_green_glo w.php) [Curbed]
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ZippyTheChimp
September 2nd, 2007, 06:05 PM
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lofter1
September 6th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Yikes ^^^ !!!
Looks like Zapata couldn't decide which facade treatment to use here ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_27a.jpg
macreator
September 6th, 2007, 10:37 PM
What a strange juxtaposition of curtainwalls and window treatments.
I'm officially taking back my early criticism of the white curtainwall used on at least one of the sides of this thing though. As the tower has been filling out, that Ghery IAC-esque facade has really grown on me -- just like IAC's facade did for me.
Who knows whether the Verizon green will go well with the IAC white :rolleyes:
lofter1
September 6th, 2007, 10:47 PM
The section with the diagonal (and wood paneling) looks like it was put on inside-out :confused:
lofter1
September 16th, 2007, 06:18 PM
More glass -- and I'm getting to like it ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a1.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a3.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a7.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a13.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a23.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a26.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a30.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_29a27.jpg
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londonlawyer
September 16th, 2007, 06:29 PM
I walked by on the morning of Sep. 16th and was impressed. This is a beautiful building.
I hope that whoever buys, what was to be the Horizen Condo site on West 23rd, uses Zapata's design.
ZippyTheChimp
September 16th, 2007, 06:33 PM
The green and tan panels at the base compliment the building next door.
Nicely done.
Alonzo-ny
September 16th, 2007, 10:52 PM
$4 dollar drinks under the cantilever!
BrooklynRider
September 17th, 2007, 10:26 PM
1.http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0144.jpg
2.http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0143.jpg
stache
September 18th, 2007, 06:26 AM
It's interesting.
BrooklynRider
September 18th, 2007, 02:36 PM
It is exciting to see something different go up. I am curious about what the end product will look like.
Derek2k3
October 26th, 2007, 12:34 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2078/1753164544_c18ce9e3b5_o.jpg
Derek2k3
October 26th, 2007, 02:48 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2079/1754554062_2b7ddd4277_o.jpg
"How out of context!"
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2286/1754554048_ab23c60e84_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/1754554024_a11c97ea46_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2328/1754554034_53e6d29120_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/1754554082_d343363461_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2304/1754554098_7cb7e0e722_o.jpg
Fabrizio
October 26th, 2007, 03:08 AM
For me the building out of context is the dorm to the right. It's thoughtless and cheap. Those old tenements followed classic formulas of composition, proportion. They had beautiful ornamentation. This new hotel is an update on that. The ornamentation here is the wonderful shading on the glass, the unusual but attract form. And the whole thing looks beautifully put together.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2079/1754554062_2b7ddd4277_o.jpg
lofter1
October 26th, 2007, 09:56 AM
While I agree with you about the building to the right ^^^ it's not a dorm but an assisted living facility that went up in the 80s when this stretch was total limbo between the East & West Village. Being situated on a full blockfront on a bend of The Bowery it's particularly noticeable and all the more unfortunate.
It's a horrid, dull structure with none of the spare simplicity of utilitarian buildings (i.e. "projects") that went up in the NYC in the 30s, 40s, 50s. Those older structures knew that they were for real human beings -- and you can see it when you look at them, no matter how little adornment they had / have. This pile, on the other hand, looks like a temporary storage facility. Which says a lot about us as a society.
Optimus Prime
October 26th, 2007, 10:43 AM
Maybe this is the glass BoA should have used? Alas.
londonlawyer
October 26th, 2007, 12:29 PM
I read that the developers of this great project acquired the rest of the site and might raze the beautiful little building on the north side which dates from the 1820's and is partially visible on the right side of this photo.
That would ruin this otherwise great project. I hope that they don't pull a Macklowe/Solow.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/1754554024_a11c97ea46_o.jpg
lofter1
October 26th, 2007, 07:29 PM
I have never heard what you say about the building to the north.
Where did you read it?
lofter1
October 26th, 2007, 09:37 PM
I did some digging to address this ^^^
According to NYC Department of Finance documents the Cooper Square Hotel has air / development rights covering lots 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 on this Block (#461). Those lots correspond to 25 - 33 Cooper Square, with 33 being the northern-most part of the building site. 33 (lot #5) is the angular lower-rise section of the hotel abutting the Federal era building. One of the DOF docs ("Zoning Lot Description") states that it conveys ...
"to Cooper Square Hotel LLC, among other things, perpetual easement for light and air and unobstructed view over 33 Cooper Square LLC's 33 Building Envelope ..."
Attached below is a map from DOF docs for the Hotel site (25 - 33 Cooper Square): 25 - 33 CS Sewer Line Map
The 3-story Fed era building is 35 Cooper Square. According to a recently filed deed (9.21.07) at NYC DOF that lot (#6) along with the two vacant lots which run north along The Bowery to the corner of E 6th Street (37 - 39 Cooper Square, aka lots #7 & #8) have just been bought by "North Corner LLC" (listed amount for the three lots: $7.7 M). DOB shows no applications / filings for any new constrcution on this site.
35 Cooper Square (the paint-splattered wall of which can be seen in BrooklynRider's photo HERE (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186972&postcount=43)) was the site of some controversy a couple of years back:
Something There Was That Did Not Love This Wall
NY TIMES
By MICHAEL MALONE
October 10, 2004
COOPER SQUARE
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2004/10/10/nyregion/thecity/20041010_mura_184.jpg
Nicole Bengiveno/The New York Times
The 9/11 memorial mural
was painted over, and
the protests began.
Bad restaurant reviews, calls for a boycott, and possibly even paint smears have become weapons in a protest against the demise of a 9/11 memorial mural on the wall of a building owned by Cooper Union.
The mural, which was installed nearly three years ago, depicted the Manhattan skyline and the twin towers filled with flowers, and the college had originally agreed to keep it up for at least a year. Over the summer, Cooper Union began offering the wall for rent through a broker. A few weeks ago the entire wall was painted over in beige to make way for advertising.
The dispute represents one more recent clash between the neighborhood and the college. In the last few years, Cooper Union has embarked on an expansion that includes, for example, a $105 million building on Third Avenue and Seventh Street for which plans were unveiled in mid-September.
The protesters are pursuing a variety of tactics. Several have contacted Cooper Union, while others have turned their attention to Dolphins, a restaurant inside 35 Cooper Square, the building that had featured the mural. The restaurant will share the estimated advertising revenue of $5,000 to $10,000 a month with the college. Some protesters have posted fliers calling for a boycott of the restaurant, while others plan to post negative comments on restaurant review Web sites.
Vandalism also appears to be part of the arsenal of tactics. An initial paint splatter on the wall was quickly painted over, but two new smears, perhaps from a paintball gun or paint-filled balloon, promptly took its place.
George Campbell Jr., president of Cooper Union, which last year had an operating loss of nearly $7 million, chastised the nonprofit group CityArts, which originally commissioned the mural and had met with the school in an effort to preserve the mural. "We negotiated in good faith with CityArts, and committed to one year," he said. "We'd made it very clear that there was no intention of making the mural a permanent installation."
Tsipi Ben-Haim, executive director of CityArts, responded: "How dare Cooper Union say that we're behind the campaign. On the contrary, we're trying very hard to encourage the community to work with them, to understand it's not our wall.''
"We have absolutely nothing to do with any protests, boycotts, or vandalism," she added.
Whoever is to blame, some people are clearly dismayed by the loss of the mural. Beth Sopko, a Cooper Union graduate, said she found it ironic that a school known for the arts would scrap a beloved artwork. "It's really bad P.R. for the school," she said. "The emotional value the mural had for so many of us will just not be matched by an ad for vodka or Dockers."
Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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lofter1
October 26th, 2007, 09:53 PM
"Forever Tall (http://www.allianz.com/en/allianz_group/press_center/news/commitment_news/community/news32.html)" as it appeared on the north wall of 35 Cooper Square:
http://www.allianz.com/migration/images/jpg/saobj_794459_large_art_5_326.jpg
***
Another twin towers fall as Cooper covers a mural
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_72/mural.jpg
Villager photo by David Barkin
Gina Tlamsa played flute in front of the “Forever Tall”
mural on E. Sixth St. before a vigil last Saturday night
to save the public artwork.
The Villager (http://www.thevillager.com/villager_72/anothertwintowerfall.html)
By Lincoln Anderson
September 2004
On the third anniversary of 9/11, a group of 30 East Villagers respectfully gathered for a candlelight vigil in front of a memorial of a mural of the twin towers at the corner of Sixth St. and Third Ave. As much as a remembrance of the World Trade Center attack, the event was also a call for preservation of the mural, “Forever Tall,” a public artwork created in the weeks after the tragedy.
The mural was painted with a starlit Manhattan skyline with the W.T.C. towers filled with yellow and orange flowers. It was created by CITYarts in collaboration with artists Hope Gangloff and Jason Search, the Manhattan School for Career Development, the Dwight School and The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art. The mural was only intended to stay up for a year, but neighbors immediately took to it, saying it lifted their spirits after the attack. After all, the Trade Center had been visible from that corner.
However, Cooper Union, the building’s owner, had recently made it clear that the mural would come down to be replaced by revenue-generating advertising. Several weeks ago, a corner of the mural had been painted over with a sign saying “Wall for Rent” with a phone number. Still, on the anniversary of the terrorist attack, neighbors and fans of the East Village mural were holding out hope it could be saved.
“When they put this up and filled the towers with flowers, it just lifted everybody up,” said Nancy Eder, a block resident. “I like the fact that I get to walk by this two or three times a day.”
“It was planned before 9/11, as a tribute to the skyline,” said Andrew Berman, director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation. After the Trade Center disaster, Berman said, the mural “was a rebirth for our community. Hopefully, as word gets out, people will realize there is an undeniable need to keep this as a tribute. Let’s hope Cooper Union is listening tonight.”
At the same time, residents decried the school’s development plans in the area, including a new academic building, a new apartment tower under construction by Related Companies on Astor Pl. and a planned third building by a private developer that will eventually rise on the current site of the school’s Engineering Building.
“This is the ugly face of greed and gentrification that’s showing here,” said Susi Schropp. “There’s no value for what the community stands for.”
However, whether or not Cooper Union was listening, two days later on Monday, the entire mural was painted over.
“It’s heartbreaking,” said Anna Sawaryn, head of the Coalition to Save the East Village. “That they would just take something that means so much to this community and just destroy it like that. This is something that’s on the agenda of the community board — so I guess they don’t care about the community board. It’s just so shocking — they’re an art school.”
Claire McCarthy, Cooper Union’s spokesperson, said support to save the mural had not been overwhelming, that it was never intended as permanent and that the school needs the revenue.
“We got some e-mails, between 15 and 20, and I understand some people were handing out flyers — but they were unsigned,” she said. “We had decided it was time to move on. The mural was only supposed to be up for a year and it was up for almost three. We were happy to have it there and to contribute the space.”
McCarthy said the agent who rents the building had painted the “Wall for Rent” sign on the mural without Cooper Union’s permission.
“If the agent had not painted on it, we might have left it up until we got a renter [for the wall],” she said. “We couldn’t leave it ruined. It was just unfortunate. It just looked awful. We were dismayed that this was defaced — and we felt we couldn’t leave it up that way.”
Repairing the mural, she said, would have just been “misleading,” since in the end it would have been painted over anyway.
McCarthy noted there will be an official 9/11 memorial at ground zero.
Advertising on the wall is an option the tenant of the building, Dolphins restaurant, has in its lease, she added. Dolphins will get a portion of the revenue.
Estimates of the revenue are $5,000 to $10,000 a month, according to McCarthy. However, George Campbell Jr., president of Cooper Union, in a recent interview on New York 1 news, said the wall would annually bring in $300,000, money the free-tuition school sorely needs.
McCarthy said Campbell would never have cited such a high figure, though admitted she had not seen the New York 1 segment. In addition to keeping its commitment to provide free $27,000 tuitions to all its students, Cooper Union needs to raise funds for a new $100 million academic building on the site of its current Hewitt Building, on Third Ave. between Sixth and Seventh Sts., across from the street from the site of the former mural, she noted.
At Saturday’s vigil, Lisa Ramaci, a former member of Community Board 3, bemoaned the loss of 9/11 memorial murals in the East Village, in general, specifically mentioning two by famed graffiti artist Chico on either side of Avenue A just south of 14th St.
“I just can’t believe that in a city this size there can’t be remembrance,” she said. “I used to go to the Chico mural every year and put flowers and candles there. There was a woman from Stuyvesant Town who lost her son and she would put a photo of him and flowers there.”
One of Chico’s murals is all but obscured by a flower stand. The other has been totally covered by a billboard for small advertising posters.
“The last time I looked, it was ads for Crobar and iPods,” Ramaci said. “I don’t want to have to go to Staten Island to visit a 9/1l mural.”
The Villager is published by Community Media LLC.
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"Forever Tall (http://www.pbase.com/hjsteed/image/32262932)"
Hubert J Steed / June 12, 2004
http://k43.pbase.com/u36/hjsteed/large/32262932.040612BoweryEast6thStreet1copy.jpg (http://www.pbase.com/hjsteed/august_2004_my_favorite)
MidtownGuy
October 26th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Oh wow...I opened up this thread and saw those photos and... By Golly...we have a home run here:) That tower is beautiful. Now that's how you do shaded glass. And such an elegant, classy form!!
Now, a funky little cafe with outdoor seating at the base would be the nuts!
londonlawyer
October 26th, 2007, 11:51 PM
I have never heard what you say about the building to the north.
Where did you read it?
I think I read it on curbed.com. If not there, then it was on therealdeal.com.
NewYorkDoc
October 27th, 2007, 12:03 AM
I don't like this tower because, in my opinion, it doesn't fit in the east village. Maybe this is a sign of the village to come? Or maybe it's just the "Astor Place Area." I lump this project in with the same building across from the cube, both look out of place. I'm sure in a few years though the whole area could look like this.
antinimby
October 27th, 2007, 12:38 AM
I think all these "fitting in" claims are thrown around way too much these days, particularly in this city, without much thought behind them.
If something is nice, even if it doesn't necessarily fit in at first, I believe it will still bring a positive impact to the surrounding.
Remember that over time, as people get accustomed to the new structure, it will eventually become a part of that streetscape.
A good example of this was the former WTC. Remember how out of scale they were when they first appeared on the skyline? Over thirty years later as the WFC and other new buildings grew around them, when they did disappeared from the skyline, look how weird it was initially to see Lower Manhattan without them.
Likewise, even if something fits in, both in terms of scale or material, but is awful architecturally, does that necessarily really make the surrounding better?
BrooklynRider
October 27th, 2007, 04:41 PM
I agree. The form and facade of this building couldn't be appreciated in areas where it "fit in." Additionally, the new Cooper Union campus to the North will make this area a mish-mash of 19th century and 21st century architecture.
ablarc
October 27th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Beautiful building. Better than Gwathmey's glass tower of similar dimensions and proportions, and better than Rivington Hotel. Could this be a trend for the area? If so, I'm for it.
Alonzo-ny
October 27th, 2007, 05:16 PM
I read that the developers of this great project acquired the rest of the site and might raze the beautiful little building on the north side which dates from the 1820's and is partially visible on the right side of this photo.
That would ruin this otherwise great project. I hope that they don't pull a Macklowe/Solow.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/1754554024_a11c97ea46_o.jpg
How can it be north and to the right of the photo which, as far as i am aware, goes north(left) to south (right)
Beautiful building. Better than Gwathmey's glass tower of similar dimensions and proportions, and better than Rivington Hotel. Could this be a trend for the area? If so, I'm for it.
i agree this tower is great but astor place disgusts me in so many reflective ways.
NoyokA
October 27th, 2007, 05:26 PM
This building is a 10 out of 10. One of the best in the city. The only potential problem I can see with this building is an inadvertent one, it will further rejuvenate the area, encouraging greedy developers to do what they do, put up boring luxury buildings that will suck the life out of the neighborhood. Only if all developers could build with the foresight and vision as this one.
lofter1
October 27th, 2007, 08:20 PM
In the photo the red building to the SOUTH and right of the Hotel tower is already part of this project -- a tenant there who had residency rights struck a deal with the developer and they are building around, over and through that old brick building.
The old Fed-era building to the NORTH and left is a separate property and butts upagainst the hotel. It is part of a parcel which includes the two vacant lots on the corner of The Bowery / E. 6th Street.
lofter1
October 29th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Looks like the CS Hotel might be going afte the three lots to the north -- including the Fed-era building next door with the dormer windows ...
Dubai on the Bowery
Belly up to the bars
NY Magazine (http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/39977/)
By Dan Levin
October 29, 2007
As the Cooper Square Hotel on the Bowery gets its coating of glass, and as its backers spend $11 million to buy three adjacent lots, its East 5th Street neighbors are afraid it’s taking over the block. The hotel will have three indoor bars, a garden, a dining patio, and—what most troubles residents—a terrace off its second floor that will end about 30 inches from apartment windows. “Someone can just reach over and climb in to someone’s bedroom window,” says Stuart Zamsky of the block association. Community Board 3 is under pressure to withhold a liquor-license endorsement until the swanky hotel reaches an agreement with its neighbors. “The block association gave us a list of their concerns,” says developer Matthew Moss of the Peck Moss Group. “We agreed right off the bat to half of them or so, but some of the things they were asking for were a little difficult for us to agree to,” and those are items that are still being discussed, with a November 17 deadline looming. One catch: Moss has agreed to install soundproof windows and air conditioners in nearby apartments, so residents won’t be kept up by revelers, but tenants say landlord Martin Baumrind won’t allow the installations to proceed. Why not? “I never speak to the press because they never say anything nice about landlords,” Baumrind says.
Copyright © 2007, New York Magazine Holdings LLC
Optimus Prime
October 29th, 2007, 06:10 PM
“I never speak to the press because they never say anything nice about landlords,” Baumrind says.
Sounds like a pretty good way to ensure that your side of the story is not told. :confused:
BrooklynRider
November 2nd, 2007, 09:27 PM
But, he said that to the press, thereby making his statement a lie.
ZippyTheChimp
November 11th, 2007, 10:43 PM
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6849/coopersqhotel18cyi3.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel18cyi3.jpg) http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3919/coopersqhotel19cvk2.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel19cvk2.jpg) http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6695/coopersqhotel20cxa4.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel20cxa4.jpg) http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8260/coopersqhotel21cjl1.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel21cjl1.jpg) http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2574/coopersqhotel22cpe8.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel22cpe8.jpg)
lofter1
November 11th, 2007, 10:47 PM
This baby looks fantastic http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
Nice pics, Zip http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
ablarc
November 11th, 2007, 11:12 PM
Doesn't look real. Looks like a lucite model.
Just beautiful.
Also I love the way it's jammed between those little old brick buildings. Hope they survive.
sfenn1117
November 11th, 2007, 11:35 PM
The complete antithesis of the mcsam. A shame this type is outnumbered 50-1 basically.
Fabrizio
November 12th, 2007, 06:14 AM
The shading on the glass does wonderful things.
ZippyTheChimp
November 12th, 2007, 08:41 AM
The crane in the background #4 is for the new Cooper Union building. (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5264)
MidtownGuy
November 12th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Oh my...it's just so beautiful...what can I say except
B_R_A_V_O!!
antinimby
November 13th, 2007, 02:01 AM
Sadly, the top seem to have gotten truncated. If I remember correctly, there was suppose to be somewhat of a pointy top.
ASchwarz
November 13th, 2007, 03:04 AM
In the second from the last pic, you can see the top isn't finished.
Don't know if that means a pointy top is coming, but there's definitely work to be done.
lofter1
November 13th, 2007, 11:13 AM
Don't think it ever had a pointy top -- it was the perspective in the rendering that might have given that idea ...
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_201/hotel.gif
ZippyTheChimp
November 13th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Yes, look at how the floors slope parallel to the roof.
Derek2k3
November 24th, 2007, 12:27 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2141/2038337643_6d92e83c1a_b.jpg
..lauren.. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8135706@N06/)
londonlawyer
November 24th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Hand cream, please!
RandySavage
November 24th, 2007, 01:45 AM
^The marketers ought to purchase rights to that amazing photo.
ablarc
November 24th, 2007, 08:40 AM
^ Yeah, but it makes the building look a little like an insect larva.
Alonzo-ny
November 24th, 2007, 01:40 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2314/2059467397_a0275cce72_o.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2129/2060249040_c1a8d9c954_o.jpg
Here you go mate!
stache
November 24th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Larva optional!
Tectonic
December 17th, 2007, 05:43 PM
12-15-2007
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/578361.jpg
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/578359.jpg
lofter1
January 9th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Just like the rendering ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_40r4_Duo.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_40d.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_40l.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_40t.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_40s.jpg
25 cs
ZippyTheChimp
January 9th, 2008, 10:46 PM
Looks like a sign at the chiropractor's office.
elfgam
January 11th, 2008, 11:11 AM
You know... the nouvel tower's and the gehry building get so much credit... but let's be honest: the battle for the soul of new york's architectural scene cannot only be played at the highest end... it is AMAZING buildings like this that really will transform its soul.
I'm floored.
ablarc
January 13th, 2008, 06:32 PM
Just like the rendering ...
... only better!
RandySavage
January 13th, 2008, 06:48 PM
Agreed. This one photographs well and is great-looking in person.
Derek2k3
January 13th, 2008, 06:55 PM
A new academic building for Cooper.
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5264
ZippyTheChimp
February 18th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Nice juxtaposition.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4182/coopersqhotel23cwd0.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel23cwd0.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4261/coopersqhotel24cyc2.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coopersqhotel24cyc2.jpg)
ablarc
February 18th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Nice juxtaposition.
All three in that first photo (ending with the dome).
Sure is a sendup of a formulaic definition of "contextual."
A useful definition: collaborating with existing neighbors to make a more satisfactory composition.
The NIMBYs think it's copying your neighbors.
Shriveled thinking.
TonyO
February 19th, 2008, 10:07 AM
All three in that first photo (ending with the dome).
Sure is a sendup of a formulaic definition of "contextual."
A useful definition: collaborating with existing neighbors to make a more satisfactory composition.
The NIMBYs think it's copying your neighbors.
Shriveled thinking.
If you look down 3rd Avenue from the north to the south, the hotel looks like it fits in with the buildings on the avenue. Maybe its the shorter buildings that don't fit in anymore.
lofter1
April 21st, 2008, 07:36 PM
I knew'd it ... this is what they installed last September:
Yikes ^^^ !!!
Looks like Zapata couldn't decide which facade treatment to use here ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_27a.jpg
At the time we said:
What a strange juxtaposition of curtainwalls and window treatments.
The section with the diagonal (and wood paneling) looks like it was put on inside-out :confused:
Maybe they read things here at wny :cool:
Over the past week they made some changes.
Here's what it looks like today ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_44a.jpg
And before ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_43a13.jpg
The gang at work ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_42a1.jpg
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25 csh
lofter1
April 21st, 2008, 07:42 PM
More random shots ...
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25 csh
Tectonic
April 21st, 2008, 08:34 PM
whats the green pod thingy
MidtownGuy
April 21st, 2008, 10:23 PM
Don't know, but I love it. What a sexy building.
BrooklynLove
April 21st, 2008, 11:30 PM
word. i dig this building.
kz1000ps
April 21st, 2008, 11:51 PM
It reminds me of a snake right after it's shed its skin -- so sleek and luxurious.
Jasonik
May 5th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Some inside baseball from Feb.
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Two High School Friends + One Hotel = Trouble
Cooper Square Hotel land deal punctuates split between wunderkind developers
BY CHRIS SHOTT | FEBRUARY 27, 2008 | NY OBSERVER (http://www.observer.com/2008/two-high-school-friends-one-hotel-trouble)
http://origin.observer.com/files/imagecache/article/files/022608_tales_web.jpg
Gregory Peck, pictured, had partnered with Matt Moss to build the boutique Cooper Square Hotel.
When the imposing, 21-story neighborhood lightning rod Cooper Square Hotel finally rolls out its sprawling, three-floor bar and restaurant program this summer—complete with an angry-neighbor-friendly “soundbaffling” terrace—what will the developers do as an encore next door?
Another innovative noise-reducing restaurant? A whopping whole other shark-fin-shaped hotel? Perhaps the bigger question: Will affable hotelier Gregory Peck still be around to see it?
Mr. Peck declined to comment about possible construction next door; his supposed partner in the Cooper Square Hotel at East Fifth Street, Matt Moss, won’t discuss plans for the site, either. “We haven’t really publicly commented on what our plans are for those properties,” he told The Observer, deferring further questions to a publicist.
Even some of the hotel’s own investors are having a tough time getting answers.
“I believe I am being and have been excluded from decisions, which as an investor member I have a right to participate in,” said stockholder Robert Becker, who, frustrated over long-ignored questions about this “next phase” of the project, went public with his complaints, posting an angry letter to Mr. Moss on his personal Web site this week.
Mr. Becker said he was “surprised” to find out that several other Cooper Square investors, led by Long Island financier Charles Feinbloom, who also owns two Hilton hotels in Plainview, N.Y., recently purchased the two lots directly adjacent to the nearly completed hotel, without so much as a head’s-up from Mr. Peck or Mr. Moss.
“These lots were to become, possibly, a restaurant-lounge and/or expansion to the Cooper hotel so we (Cooper investors) would be able to leverage the brand, amenities and staff of the Cooper Hotel next door,” according to Mr. Becker’s letter.
Albeit owning just a modest stake in the more than $65 million Cooper Square development, Mr. Becker had been hoping to boost his assets with a piece of the property-acquisition action, which the hotel’s head honchos had discussed only months before. “It remains my understanding,” he wrote, “that all investors in the Cooper Hotel would be given the opportunity to participate in the purchase of these adjacent properties when, and if, they became available.”
Mr. Moss suggested that the land deal was above-board and that all the investors were unified—except for Mr. Becker. Perhaps not surprising is the fact that the aggrieved investor came to the project not through Mr. Moss, but rather through Mr. Peck, an old family friend, who seems to know a thing or two about getting brushed to the side of a promising development, too.
The testy investor relations merely underscore a lingering rift between the Cooper’s two principals, Mr. Moss and Mr. Peck, former high-school classmates from Long Island, both in their early 30’s, whose prior friendship didn’t exactly translate into a workable business relationship.
Coming into the Cooper Square deal, Mr. Peck was a young hotelier who, having worked alongside industry titans Ian Schrager and André Balazs, had just acquired the first hotel of his own, the Crescent Hotel in Beverly Hills, and was looking to open another in downtown Manhattan.
“I had been negotiating and was very close to acquiring what is now the Bowery Hotel,” said Mr. Peck, who ultimately lost the space to local hospitality honchos Eric Goode and Sean MacPherson. “Fortunately, I was able to find a property up the road on Cooper Square.”
Mr. Moss, meanwhile, a former employee of the Related Companies, had just finished building Riverhead Centre, a 50-acre, 400,000-square-foot shopping center in Long Island.
They decided to join forces. “The timing was good for us, in terms of finding the opportunity, and wanting to try to develop it,” Mr. Peck explained. “We moved forward and started putting the pieces together, which is a lot, you know, from investors to the professional team, which includes the architect, Carlos Zapata.”
Mr. Zapata and Mr. Peck had already known each other many years. “We looked at doing several other projects together,” he said.
Mr. Peck also enlisted Klaus Ortlieb, then general manager of The Hotel on Rivington.
The duo further lined up a group of wealthy investors.
“It was a good team,” Mr. Peck said.
BUT, SOMEWHERE ALONG the line, amid significant construction delays and testy neighborhood opposition of the massive Cooper Square project, the two partners had a major falling-out.
Was it the critics? The regulatory rigmarole? Conflicting management styles? A woman? A source close to Mr. Peck indicated it was a series of conflicts.
Mr. Moss insisted the two remain friends. But the partnership formerly called Peck/Moss has never been the same. The two guys now employ separate publicists for the same hotel.
Ironically, it is not the experienced hotelier, Mr. Peck, but rather the former retail mogul, Mr. Moss, who is calling the shots at Cooper Square. He and his new partner, Mr. Ortlieb, will manage the place under the moniker MK Hotels.
Mr. Peck is still involved, according to both sides, although his partisans fear he may be pushed out entirely. In a prior interview with The Observer, Mr. Peck said, “Peck/Moss is still together and will be together through the opening of Cooper Square.” And after that? “I’m not going anywhere,” he said.
If Mr. Peck is at all perturbed by his former partner’s seizing of the reins, he tries awfully hard not to show it. “Look, I want to be in the business for a long time,” he said. “I want to be as positive as I can.”
Maybe that’s just the professional hotelier in him—gracious until the bitter end.
“The project we conceived is compelling,” he told The Observer. “Fortunately, it’s moving forward and I think it’s going to be a great new hotel.”
kz1000ps
May 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Me likey.. very seductive
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8572/img7985co9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9126/img7986bk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
from certain angles its form is a bit weird
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6448/img7990ty8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1999/img7992ru3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
but then from others, it's a complete knock-out
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9007/img7993kr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4228/img7999ia7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
pianoman11686
May 26th, 2008, 08:15 PM
Imagine if the architects for Bank of America had used that glass. Wow!
BrooklynLove
May 26th, 2008, 11:09 PM
^or for the new goldman building ...
RandySavage
May 27th, 2008, 12:38 AM
This building is awesome. Looks even better in person.
JCMAN320
May 27th, 2008, 02:02 AM
I really hope that little building to the left is saved. It is an odd juxtaposition, but it is historic.
philvia
May 27th, 2008, 08:40 PM
wow!! i never came across this thread before but i absolutely love this building! the small old buildings just beside it is incredible!
i'm definitely making a short trip to see this next time i'm there :O
BrooklynRider
July 1st, 2008, 11:01 PM
Can we stand any more pictures of this?...
1.
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2.
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BrooklynRider
July 1st, 2008, 11:04 PM
3.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/Casey-Glamor010.jpg
philvia
July 2nd, 2008, 02:35 AM
love that building :cool:
NYC4Life
July 2nd, 2008, 02:39 AM
This building looks like it might have been imported from Sydney, Australia. Looks great!
BrooklynLove
July 2nd, 2008, 08:22 AM
i second that emotion - this one is a winner.
lofter1
July 4th, 2008, 12:25 PM
A Poetic Play Box from Zapata for the Cooper Square Hotel
CURBED (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/07/03/a_poetic_play_box_from_zapata_for_the_cooper_squar e_hotel.php)
July 3, 2008
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox1a.JPG
The playful new glass box on site (l.) and in the render from Zapata Studio.
As part of the scheme (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/14/thumbs_up_cooper_square_hotel_revealed.php) that allowed the glass cocoon of the Cooper Square Hotel
to rise on the Bowery, the Peck/Moss Group are revamping the old brick home of
long-time resident and poet Hettie Jones. The lower floors of that old pile of bricks
are being wrapped in a box of glass which will house some sort of bar or play pen (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/15/cooper_square_hotel_fully_revealed.php)
for the hotel's guests. Whatever this box becomes rest assured that there will be
food and drink aplenty (http://eater.com/archives/2007/12/inside_the_coop.php). Perhaps it'll be the perfect place for feuding friends (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/02/27/cooper_square_hotel_turning_friends_into_enemies.p hp) to bury
the hatchet, let bygones be bygones and learn how to play well with others.
As for further surprises that architect Carlos Zapata has in store for Ms. Jones
and this little corner of the Bowery, we'll just have to wait and see.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox3.JPG
Hettie Jones' little brick house, now and then.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox4.JPG
Zapata's new glass box going up.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox5.JPG
Poetry under glass.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox6.JPG
High tech meets the ragged old Bowery.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox7.JPG
Framework for the Cooper Square Hotel's new awning along The Bowery.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox8.JPG
A peek inside the hotel's glass-enclosed lobby.
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_07_25CSPlayBox9.JPG
Another look at the tower's facade, 'cuz we're in love with this one.
· Thumbs Up: Cooper Square Hotel Revealed! (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/14/thumbs_up_cooper_square_hotel_revealed.php) [Curbed]
· Cooper Square Hotel Fully Revealed (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/15/cooper_square_hotel_fully_revealed.php) [Curbed]
· Inside the Cooper Square Hotel's Deal on The Bowery (http://eater.com/archives/2007/12/inside_the_coop.php) [Eater]
· Cooper Square Hotel Turning Friends Into Enemies (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/02/27/cooper_square_hotel_turning_friends_into_enemies.p hp) [Curbed]
BrooklynLove
July 4th, 2008, 01:52 PM
dope
Alonzo-ny
July 4th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Im sick of that tired old canopy, you'd think somthing so simple could be made as innovative as the rest of teh building.
lofter1
July 5th, 2008, 01:27 AM
It's not yet complete ...
londonlawyer
July 5th, 2008, 08:54 AM
I hope that this beautiful, old building is never touched.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4182/coopersqhotel23cwd0.jpg
I also hope that Zapata's other gem is built soon on 23rd St.:
http://www.cz-studio.com/work_in_progress/horizen_tower/1/images/image_center_right.jpg
Alonzo-ny
July 5th, 2008, 03:52 PM
It's not yet complete ...
I bet you a million dollars they just slap on a few glass panes. Its not hard to tell what it will look like.
ablarc
July 5th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Less is more.
antinimby
July 5th, 2008, 10:19 PM
...except when it comes to sex (and few other things as well).
Alonzo-ny
July 6th, 2008, 12:34 PM
Less is a bore, shall we throw around clichéd architecture quotes that are meaningless?
infoshare
July 6th, 2008, 01:10 PM
This STYLE of architecture is now so seen so often I am surprise that there is not yet some name for it other than 'Modernism'.
Any suggestions what to call this - morphed, fractaled, undulating - style (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238755&postcount=116) of Architecture. The term modernism now seems so broad it's practically meaningless; this question was also raised on anther thread (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231341&postcount=1) recently. QUOTE:"So, what do we call that style in the 21st century (I mean among us archi-geeks. Obviously the great unwashed just call it #@*$!!" Excerpt from post by Luca.
This one is a beauty, and to coin-a-phrase: I am going to call this style of Architecture "Dynamism". Maybe that term will catch on!:rolleyes:
stache
July 6th, 2008, 07:50 PM
It's closer to biomorphic.
ablarc
July 7th, 2008, 07:24 PM
^ Not bad. Calatrava is that, too.
You can trace the tendency back through Saarinen to Gaudi.
Derek2k3
July 15th, 2008, 11:59 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2671580922_bc379f3726_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/2671580936_b21ae6eb73_o.jpg
brianac
September 27th, 2008, 07:55 AM
East Village
At a Flashy New Hotel, a Pair of Eloises
By DAVID KAUFMAN
Published: September 26, 2008
FROM jazz cats to beatniks, hippies to punks, Hettie Jones has seen them all from the fourth-floor walk-up at 27 Cooper Square, where she has lived since 1962.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/28/nyregion/28hote.large.jpgChester Higgins Jr./The New York Times
“I won’t order from room service,” says Hettie Jones, top left with Katy Abel, whose tenement building, above and above left, has been incorporated in the new Cooper Square Hotel. “But it will be nice to finally have a doorman.”
“We didn’t call it the East Village when we visited in those days,” said Ms. Jones, a slight yet spry 74-year-old with a graying pixie cut. “We simply said we were ‘going east.’ ”
Ms. Jones first started going east in the 1950s to hear jazz greats like Charles Mingus (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/nyregion/thecity/28hote.html?inline=nyt-per) and Miles Davis (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/miles_davis/index.html?inline=nyt-per) play at the Five Spot, a club where the free jazz movement first flourished. Back then, Ms. Jones was a future poet still known as Hettie Cohen — a middle-class Jewish girl from the West Village via Queens — and Cooper Square was a warren of Jewish old-timers and Ukrainian and Puerto Rican newcomers.
“There were hookers patrolling their spots down on Fourth Street,” recalled Ms. Jones, the former wife of Everett LeRoi Jones, the poet subsequently known as Amiri Baraka (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/amiri_baraka/index.html?inline=nyt-per). “And then, in the ’80s, the transvestites began to arrive.”
The cross-dressers — and the punks that followed — have long been priced out of Cooper Square, but Ms. Jones still lives in the apartment where she raised two daughters, Kellie and Lisa, and entertained Beat Generation artists and writers like Allen Ginsberg (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/allen_ginsberg/index.html?inline=nyt-per), Jack Kerouac (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/jack_kerouac/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and Frank O’Hara (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/frank_ohara/index.html?inline=nyt-per). As a single parent of biracial children, Ms. Jones has long faced both personal and political struggles. The latest one was the battle to save her home.
It’s a battle that Ms. Jones, along with her neighbor of 30 years, Katy Abel, improbably won against the Cooper Square Hotel, a 21-story luxury tower with 145 rooms that has risen past her roof garden and will begin accepting guests within a few weeks.
“I grew the most fantastic tomatoes and peppers up there, veggies that need lots of light,” lamented Ms. Jones. “We used to have views from every angle, but now they only exist from the hotel’s penthouse.”
The two women agree that the impact of the Cooper Square Hotel, at 25 Cooper Square, between Fifth and Sixth Streets, could have been more significant. In 2005, the initial owners of the site, Lionheart Development, intended to demolish three red-brick tenements, including the building in which the two women lived, a former rooming house dating to 1845.
Having secured what is known as artists’ loft status for their apartments during an eviction scare in the ’80s, the two women were not legally required to move.
By the time Matt Moss, a subsequent co-owner of the property, acquired it a year later, the two women had long since stopped being interested in negotiating the fate of their 163-year-old home. From then on, the developers say, the project progressed with Ms. Jones, Ms. Abel and the tenement in place.
The hotel’s owners went back to the drawing board and had the architect, Carlos Zapata, redesign the Cooper Square Hotel so that it incorporated the tenement.
“It was a bit like surgery,” Mr. Zapata said of the 26 months of construction, which fused the women’s old building with the sleek new tower next door. “We had to build the hotel from above and support the tenement from below.”
Mr. Zapata said that retaining the tenement added six months to the construction project, but the blending of the two structures has yielded an unusual amalgam. The ground floor of the tenement houses the hotel’s library and concierge desk; administrative offices are on the second floor.
The third- and fourth-floor apartments occupied by Ms. Jones and Ms. Abel have been upgraded and are ready for occupancy.
“WE had to move for 10 days while they replaced the roof,” said Ms. Jones, who was relocated at Mr. Moss’s expense to the Hotel on Rivington in the spring, while Ms. Abel took shelter at the Bowery Hotel.
“I won’t order from room service,” Ms. Jones said of her unexpected turn as a late-in-life Eloise. “But it will be nice to finally have a doorman.”
As for the hotel’s guests — the ones paying upward of $425 per night or indulging in its 15-seat private screening room — “these are people with lots of money and we never really had any money around here,” Ms. Jones added.
Pointing to the cluster of new luxury towers rising in the square, Ms. Jones added with a sigh: “This used to be an area where people got their start. Now it’s a place to land once you’ve made it.”
Despite the attachment to her home, which lacked heating, hot water and even a sink when she first rented it for $100 month, Ms. Jones acknowledged that she might have moved if huge amounts of money had been offered.
“People tried to make us into stalwarts and revolutionaries, but we probably would have agreed to the right offer,” said Ms. Jones, who still writes poetry and teaches a course on children’s book writing at the New School (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/new_school_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org). “The city is about change. And even I never really expected to be avant-garde forever.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/nyregion/thecity/28hote.html?ref=thecity
Copyright 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html) The New York Times Company (http://www.nytco.com/)
brianac
October 16th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Dinner's Ready! Rooms Not Quite at Cooper Square Hotel
by Chris Shott (http://www.observer.com/node/36088)
October 16, 2008
http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/vertical/files/CooperSquareKlaus.jpg Mark Heithoff/GQ; Chris Shott/NYO.
Klaus Ortlieb, Cooper Square Hotel.
GQ-crowned "Modern Hotel Maestro (http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/8/7/11837/85354/hotels/Klaus_Ortleib_Dishes_on_Cooper_Square_to_GQ_quot_E verything_Except_Hookers_and_Drugs_quot_)" Klaus Ortlieb hosted roughly 60 guests at his Tribeca loft on Wednesday night in a preview of the yet-unfinished Cooper Square Hotel's culinary offerings.
Mr. Ortlieb, 50, a partner in the hotel's management company, MK Hotels, suggested the somewhat divisive (http://www.observer.com/2008/two-high-school-friends-one-hotel-trouble) 21-story, 145-room, Carlos Zapata-designed lodge may be just weeks away from opening.
Among other permitting issues, developer Matt Moss, who was also on hand for the festivities, said he was still trying to obtain a certificate of occupancy. (Mr. Moss' original partner in the project, Crescent Hotel developer Gregory Peck, did not attend.)
Los Angeles-based chef Govind Armstrong commandeered Mr. Ortlieb's kitchen and home office for the fete, serving up samples of porterhouse, squab and a creamy celery soup with strips of bacon.
The hotel's forthcoming Table 8 restaurant will be Mr. Armstrong's third location after L.A. and Miami.
http://www.observer.com/2008/real-estate/dinners-ready-cooper-square-hotel-not-quite
© 2008 Observer Media Group
Kris
November 1st, 2008, 09:22 PM
Carlos Zapata completes luxury hotel in NYC
The Cooper Square Hotel is a new modern glass and steel tower in the Bowery section of New York City designed by Carlos Zapata Studio. While some liken the building’s image to a “shark’s fin” or to “Dubai on the Bowery”, Zapata says the inspiration for the building was literally a face starting small at the neck and widening upwards, with the intention of giving the building a very distinctive personality.
The 21-storey, 145-room hotel, dubbed “Downtown Luxury” by its owner/developer, has an open plan with a modern European feel. The main public spaces include a library with a bar and fireplace, an intimate screening room, and a destination restaurant, the first in New York for celebrated Los Angeles-based chef Govind Armstrong. The hotel’s interior organization and circulation plan is inspired by the small courtyards of the East village. There are several small intimate spaces on the back of the building and one can access the second floor bar without having to go into the lobby, forming a continuous loop between the many intimate spaces inside and outside the building.
Noted Italian designer Antonio Citterio designed the interiors and furnishings are by B & B Italia. The Italian design motif extends to the guest rooms where the beds are outfitted with 400-count Italian Anichini-brand linens and comforters and the baths are tiled with Italian glass mosaics.
Sharon McHugh
US Correspondent
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http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/10546_5_CSHZapata_161008A-6956.jpg
http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=10566
JSsocal
November 1st, 2008, 10:44 PM
this was probably answered, but why is that little green portion sticking out?
NoyokA
November 1st, 2008, 11:24 PM
Drop-dead gorgeous.
NYC4Life
November 2nd, 2008, 01:01 AM
I agree, more of these should pop up along the West Side.
londonlawyer
November 2nd, 2008, 10:17 PM
This is a beautiful building. I hope that the project on 23rd Street that Zapata designed is constructed.
tone99loc
November 2nd, 2008, 10:21 PM
Amazing!
stache
November 2nd, 2008, 11:41 PM
JS, I think it's just a design detail. :cool:
philvia
November 3rd, 2008, 12:33 AM
i saw this today for the first time and it is one of my favorites in the city right now :D
the top north part didn't look finished to me though.
Shadly
November 5th, 2008, 01:38 PM
Is it wrong to have sexual thoughts about a building?
NYC4Life
November 5th, 2008, 02:16 PM
Just as long as you don't create a MILF thread for it :D
Shadly
November 5th, 2008, 02:29 PM
Just as long as you don't create a MILF thread for it :D
What about a BILF page...Buildings I'd (so on, so forth)...
NYC4Life
December 9th, 2008, 07:37 AM
Curbed.com
Somebody Loves the Cooper Square Hotel
Monday, December 8, 2008, by Sarah Hromack
http://curbed.com/uploads/8Dec08_Cooper.jpg
Bloomberg architecture critic James S. Russell gave a nice pre-holiday fluff job to the Cooper Square Hotel, which opens on Thursday with special "introductory" rates of $275 (down from $375) (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=muse&sid=ad3PvLntdID0). Design was of the essence given the building's location -- Cooper Union and the New Museum occupy blocks on either side -- and the more creative clientele the hotel hopes to attract. Shouldn't be a problem, judging by Russell's assessment: Architect Carlos Zapata has a "rare touch," having created "sculptural drama with finesse" in a "billowing" building that makes "plenty of attention-seeking gestures" with its "distinct" and "thorough" design. Hot. [Bloomberg]
Shadly
December 9th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Fluff job! Ooooo. :rolleyes:
I'm amazed "creative clientele" can afford $275 a night right now.
brianac
December 10th, 2008, 05:41 PM
December 10, 2008 1:01 pm
21-story E. Village hotel bows as market slips
Cooper Square Hotel, conceived in best of times, opens in recession.
Lisa Fickenscher (http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/personalia?ID=10)
http://cnimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CN&Date=20081210&Category=FREE&ArtNo=812109985&Ref=AR&Profile=1050&maxw=319&border=0
Courtesy Cooper Square Hotel
After nearly four years of construction and a $115 million investment, a luxury hotel will open its doors on Bowery in the East Village tomorrow morning.
Too bad about the timing.
Klaus Ortlieb, the co-owner of the new Cooper Square Hotel noted that the project was conceived in the best of times for the hospitality industry.
“No one could have envisioned what has happened to the economy,” said Mr. Ortlieb, a veteran hotelier who previously oversaw operations at such Manhattan hotels as The Mercer, Hotel Rivington and Hudson Hotel.
“This one is my baby, though” adds Mr. Ortlieb, who has an equity stake in the new property and is a partner in MK Hotels, the operating management firm.
Noting the city’s sinking hotel occupancy and room rates Mr. Ortlieb said: “We’ll just have to work harder.” He adds that the property’s financing is manageable. “We have a smart investment group, and the financial structure of the project is very bearable.”
That structure may be in for quite a stress test. According to the latest statistics from hotel tracking firm, PKF Consulting, the average room rate in Manhattan declined 3% in October to $357, and the occupancy rate declined 8% over the same period last year. The consultancy estimates that revenues per available room, another barometer of the industry’s performance, will decline 7.8% in 2009. PKF forecasts that the downturn will continue through the second quarter of 2010.
Initially, Mr. Ortlieb is hoping to lure guests to the 21-story, 145-room property with a $275 introductory room rate. By February, the hotelier wants to raise the rate by $100.
Cooper Square Hotel, a gleaming glass-clad tower is located at 25 Cooper Square, and is marketing itself to the film, music, fashion and advertising industries.
Roland DeMilleret, senior vice president of hospitality consulting firm HVS, says it ordinarily takes a new hotel between 18 and 24 months to find its footing with room and occupancy rates. In this environment, he says, it should take an additional 12 months.
He stops short, however, of predicting that any hotels in the city will go out of business. In the last recession of 2001 only one hotel, the Regent Wall Street Hotel, failed.
“Overall the outlook for the Manhattan market is good,” said Mr. DeMilleret.
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081210/FREE/812109985/1050&category=FREE&nocache=1
© 2008 Crain Communications, Inc.
NYC4Life
December 11th, 2008, 10:31 PM
A taste of Dubai in NYC.
stache
December 12th, 2008, 01:22 AM
They could always turn it into a flop house. ;)
ZippyTheChimp
December 12th, 2008, 01:31 AM
In the last recession of 2001 only one hotel, the Regent Wall Street Hotel, failed.Yeah, keep repeating,
"This is just like 2001. This is just like 2001."
lofter1
January 18th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Can't wait for the party platform up top of this one to get finished ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_791.jpg
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http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_722.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_823.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_804.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_832.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_833.jpg
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25 cs
Merry
May 9th, 2009, 01:11 AM
May 8, 2009
Cooper Square Hotel Starts Enjoying Life Outdoors
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What would a Cooper Union reveal (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/08/curbed_inside_new_cooper_union_building_weaves_its _web.php) be without a check-up on its neighbor? The always busy crew over at the Cooper Square Hotel on the Bowery have been doing double -duty to ready Table 8, the just-opened dining experience (http://eater.com/archives/2009/05/eater_inside_table_8.php) that winds its way through architect Carlos Zapata's spaceship of hospitality (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/02/15/cooper_square_hotel_fully_revealed.php). A forest of new trees has recently gone into the ground, transforming the expanse of dirt and construction debris on the corner of East 5th into a little nook of quietude.
The leafy canopies will protect diners from the summer sun and the bustle of the Bowery. They also create a garden in the air for poet Hettie Jones, long-time tenant of the little old walk-up (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/07/03/a_poetic_play_box_from_zapata_for_the_cooper_squar e_hotel.php) next to the hotel. But when considering the hotel's open spaces, those stuck down below have nothing on the party people on the wraparound deck atop the hotel, which offers views even an Alaskan governor would drool over. No doubt all involved are hoping this patch of green will do something to solve the problems between the new kid on the block and the commandos (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/05/coop_hotel_cant_see_london_cant_see_france_however .php) next door.
· Cooper Square Hotel (http://www.thecoopersquarehotel.com/) [Official Site]
· Cooper Square Hotel coverage (http://curbed.com/tags/cooper-square-hotel) [Curbed]
http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/08/cooper_square_hotel_starts_enjoying_life_outdoors. php
ablarc
May 9th, 2009, 10:41 AM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/25CS_823.jpg
What are they planning for those exposed walls on either side?
lbjefferies
May 9th, 2009, 05:12 PM
ivy?
ablarc
May 9th, 2009, 05:40 PM
^ Not bad.
But what about winter?
lbjefferies
May 9th, 2009, 05:57 PM
I'm sticking with it. I don't think dormant ivy is prohibitive--especially if the night lighting is interesting. What are your thoughts?
lofter1
May 9th, 2009, 07:27 PM
The reported plan is that the old tan one with twin dormers on the left (north) will not be with us for long. The building is unprotected and supposedly has been bought by the hotel -- and word is that they have expansion in mind.
The one on the right will definitely remain (occupied by the long-term protected tenant mentioned in the Curbed article). They're still working on the exposed walls on both the north and south sides (that south wall gets full sun and will face onto a new semi-enclosed garden area on the corner). The west facing 1st story facade along The Bowery has been reclad with big slabs of simple black stone (3 stories of the original red brick remain above).
Perhaps for the north wall facing the hotel's main entry: a wire screen set out a few inches from the surface with interesting vine-age growing up through it? The problem: Is there a good evergreen vine that will survive NYC climate on a north-facing wall that never gets direct sun?
If it were up to me I'd forego plantings on that wall. Re-do the big steel supports and opt for a mural or in-place art piece.
Haven't these guys ever heard of Frosty Myers (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9352)?
btw: The hotel recently re-did the plantings out front, with a row of evergreen trees along the sidewalk and at the north edge on the entry plaza. No doubt the idea is that they will grow into a couple of nice beefy green hedges. Plus they put in a ] leafy tree outside the big lobby window ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/IMG_6355.jpg
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lofter1
May 9th, 2009, 07:31 PM
Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised to discover that, whatever agreement the hotel has with the protected tenant in the red brick building, the deal to preserve that residence will only last for her lifetime. And that the longer term plan is that eventually the hotel will raze that building and build an extension on the south.
Merry
May 10th, 2009, 03:34 AM
Lovely...
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_7_cooper1.jpg
lofter1
May 20th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Yesterday they were getting ready to lay the pavers in the side garden along East 5th ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_1.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_2.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_3.jpg
New canopies have gone in for the side entrances here. Rather than glass like they used out front,
here the canopies are a matched set of high-gloss white metal -- very simple and sharp ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_4.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_5.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_6.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_8.jpg
I can't wait to see what CZapata has planned for the south wall of the old walk-up ...
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/The%20Bowery/090519_CSHotel5th_7.jpg
All in all, this is great.
meesalikeu
May 22nd, 2009, 11:29 AM
ahh it's so awkward around the site i was wondering what was going on at the ground level with the landscaping, so thx for these shots. wow, yes indeed it looks great so far, even lovely in parts.
Derek2k3
September 1st, 2009, 08:15 AM
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ablarc
September 1st, 2009, 09:52 AM
^ Wherever there's graffiti they should put windows.
Derek2k3
September 13th, 2009, 03:14 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/3913294908_b53370735a_b.jpg
the area
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tgeorg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/17599980@N04/3912509057/sizes/l/)
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tgeorg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/17599980@N04/3912473773/sizes/l/)
Merry
October 30th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Cooper Square Hotel Tags Itself!
October 30, 2009, by Joey
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EAST VILLAGE—The East Village's favorite new glamorous boutique hotel is at it again. But what exactly is "it?" A crew was spotted adding some sort of graffiti artwork to the big wall facing East 5th Street today, and at the end of the day we're still a bit uncertain of the message the Coop is trying to convey. EV Grieve (http://evgrieve.com/2009/10/cooper-square-hotel-pays-homage-to.html) think it's a Homer Simpson tribute. Mmm...co-opted artistic mediums. [CurbedWire Staff]
http://curbed.com/archives/2009/10/30/curbedwire_cooper_square_hotel_tags_itself.php
BrooklynRider
October 30th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Oh, yeah, such an edgy neighborhood to be staying in. Look ma! Graffiti! Oh, this must be the REAL New York. :cool:
kz1000ps
October 30th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Is leaving it blank better? Or would you like better art?
londonlawyer
November 5th, 2009, 01:07 PM
What a_holes. It looks like crap. Perhaps these schlongs could have built a waterfall against that wall or put ivey/vines on it.
ZippyTheChimp
November 5th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Serve them right if it inspires someone to tag the tower.
Now that's getting edgy.
scumonkey
November 5th, 2009, 05:01 PM
If they wanted to go this route... wouldn't it have been better
if they had at least picked some graffiti artist
with some actual talent, like say Banksy?!
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_01/17banksyES_468x606.jpg
http://dev.null.org/scrapbook/2005/0805_banksy.jpg
http://www.laist.com/attachments/tony/banksy11.jpg
Derek2k3
January 14th, 2010, 10:42 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2114/3544423385_707e4d24ac_b.jpg
Collin Erickson 83 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84431137@N00/3544423385/in/set-72157618361537301/)
dbhstockton
January 15th, 2010, 02:30 AM
^ Rad!
ablarc
January 21st, 2010, 06:57 PM
New York's cleanest elevation.
brianac
January 24th, 2011, 08:01 PM
[QUOTE=londonlawyer;238755]I hope that this beautiful, old building is never touched.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4182/coopersqhotel23cwd0.jpg
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Designate #35 Cooper Square a (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/landmark35coopersquare/)NYC Landmark!
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Merry
November 19th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Cooper Square Hotel Officially to Become Standard East
by Bilal Khan
http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/andrecooperbuy.jpg
Well, it's official. After noting that Andre Balazs was closing (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/18/checking_in.php) on the Cooper Square Hotel for $90 million, the hotel's website proudly proclaimed "WE ARE VERY PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THE 5TH ADDITION TO OUR STANDARD FAMILY WITH THE STANDARD, EAST VILLAGE!" It looks like they'll be remodeling the place over the course of the next year, turning it into the 145 room hotel.
Don't expect it to be too much like its west side counterpart though, as the announcement goes on to say "Don’t get too excited though! Unlike The Standard, New York, this East side counterpart, located on the corner of East 5th Street and Bowery at Cooper Square, is going to be a more mellow alternative to all the boom in your West side room."
Introducing the Standard, East Village (http://standardculture.com/posts/5616-Introducing-The-Standard-East-Village-stan-d-arde) [Standard Culture]
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/19/cooper_square_hotel_officially_to_become_standard_ east.php
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