Nation's tallest hotel?

[NYguy]

(NY Sun)

Nation's Tallest Hotel Tower May Rise in N.Y.

By ELIOT BROWN
April 19, 2007


A developer has proposed building a 90-plus-story hotel near the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, people familiar with the plans say. The tower would be the tallest hotel in the country as currently planned, rising 980 feet.

The group proposing the tower, Extell Development, is one of three entities vying for a state contract to build a huge hotel on 35th Street and Eleventh Avenue. The facility would serve the Javits Center, which is planning an expansion, and act as a key piece of the city and state's ambitious efforts to completely reinvent Midtown's far west side.

The other two developers, said to be the Moinian Group and FaulknerUSA, are proposing towers that would rise 58 and 70 stories, respectively. All three proposals, which include between 1,200 and 1,300 rooms, could be altered before the final bids are submitted.

The designs come as the state is seeking a hotel to accompany its plans for an expansion of the Javits Center, which has long been criticized as being too small to accommodate the city's needs for convention space. A 340,000-square-foot expansion was approved last year, though the new Spitzer administration is currently reviewing the proposal and is likely planning revisions.

A vice president at the real estate firm CB Richard Ellis who specializes in the hospitality industry, Jeffrey Dauray, said the area will have a tremendous need for hotel space as the surrounding area is developed.

"The Javits Center is really positioned to attract a significant amount of business with an expanded convention facility," Mr. Dauray said. "I really believe that hotel, serving as the convention center's hotel, will benefit from the demand that New York should provide."

The push for the hotel is but one item on a laundry list of giant projects planned for the area. The state will soon put out to bid up to 13 million square feet of residential and office space over the Hudson rail yards; the city is planning a $2.1 billion extension of the No. 7 subway, and developers are negotiating with the state over plans to build a giant mixed-use project comprising a stadium and rail station across from Pennsylvania Station.

The state had initially hoped to select a developer by March. A spokesman for New York's Empire State Development Corporation, Errol Cockfield, did not offer a timetable but said the state has asked developers to give more specifics in their proposals.

Numerous people familiar with the project said the state intends to strongly consider the need for subsidy from developers.

"What they told us is at the end of the day, the best financial plan is going to win," a land use chairwoman at Community Board 4, Anna Levin, said.

[NYguy]

Hotel site:

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[BrooklynRider]

Very exciting prospect. Yet, unless work commences on the 7 line extension, this will be the most remote major hotel in the city.

[TonyO]

^ True. They would never start construction on a hotel here until tunnels are being dug for the 7.

90 stories though, exciting possibilty. Even from Queens it would be likely look as tall or taller than all the midtown towers.

[Luca]

any renderings? Interesting place for it...

[SilentPandaesq]

^^ I think there is a proto-rendering over at SSC.com.

As usual, the people over there over-estimated the height. I was all tuned up for 1200ft. However, 980 isn't bad, stick a flag pole on it and get an even 1000, call it a day.

[londonlawyer]

If this were Chicago, there is no question that the 980 foot tower would be selected. People will complain, however, that this proposal is too tall and will cast shadows, notwithstanding the fact that this area currently is a disgusting wasteland.

If Extell wins the bid and hires Portzamparc, this could be an utterly amazing project.

[MidtownGuy]

The tallest hotel in the US is most likely to go up in Las Vegas.
Anyway, if they're smart this hotel across from the convention center won't be a straight up box like 99% of everything else here. This should be an attention-getting design to complement the expanded Javitz. If they build some 58-story bore, I'm sorry but it's not even worth the keyboard click to learn more about it. I don't expect 90+ floors without a miracle happening.

[londonlawyer]

The tallest hotel in the US is most likely to go up in Las Vegas.
Anyway, if they're smart this hotel across from the convention center won't be a straight up box like 99% of everything else here. This should be an attention-getting design to complement the expanded Javitz. If they build some 58-story bore, I'm sorry but it's not even worth the keyboard click to learn more about it. I don't expect 90+ floors without a miracle happening.

While I wish Barnett would preserve some buildings that he's razed, I do applaud his eagerness to build great projects. In my opinion, he hasn't built one yet, but I think that his proposals by Portzamparc for 57th Street and for the Trump site on the UWS will be masterpieces. Unlike a cheapskate like Macklowe, Barnett seems to want to build great towers that will do more than benefit his net income. Therefore, if Barnett is selected, and if the NIMBYS don't neuter his proposal as they did with Con Ed and the Atlantic Yards site, I think this will be awesome.

[Alonzo-ny]

I can really see alot of nimbys for this as that area is rather undesirable at the present.

[Adyton]

Let's hope Extell wins. If so, they may use Frank Williams as the architect (let's hope). If so, we may get something like:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=90&project=339&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=551&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=319&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=344&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=343&set=1&focus=0&link=1

[MidtownGuy]

^Slopes, setbacks, chamfers, actual spires...
would be nice. None of that will happen here. Just fill the envelope straight up, flatten the roof, add a pole on top, and you've got it.
Don't mean to be negative, but at this point Pollyanna is dead.
Whoever designs it, will be told "just max out the profit, it doesn't have to look unique, we already have location across from the Javitz so we won't have to try very hard."

[Vengineer]

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=319&set=1&focus=0&link=1

wow, nice. very nice.

[londonlawyer]

^Slopes, setbacks, chamfers, actual spires...
would be nice. None of that will happen here. Just fill the envelope straight up, flatten the roof, add a pole on top, and you've got it.
Don't mean to be negative, but at this point Pollyanna is dead.
Whoever designs it, will be told "just max out the profit, it doesn't have to look unique, we already have location across from the Javitz so we won't have to try very hard."

I could see Moinian doing that (and hires Costas as the "architect"), but I have faith in Extell.

[TREPYE]

Let's hope Extell wins. If so, they may use Frank Williams as the architect (let's hope). If so, we may get something like:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=90&project=339&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=551&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=319&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=344&set=1&focus=0&link=1

or:

http://www.archfwa.com/default.aspx?page=5&type=99&project=343&set=1&focus=0&link=1


Impressive! ;)

[kliq6]

NIMBY's will not have much effect at all in HY. This is the one area where 1000 towers can be built easily, however I know which way the selection is going so lets just say its either Extell or Moinian as there proposals are the most finacially secure. Alot will also have to do with Spitzers new plan

[londonlawyer]

NIMBY's will not have much effect at all in HY. This is the one area where 1000 towers can be built easily, however I know which way the selection is going so lets just say its either Extell or Moinian as there proposals are the most finacially secure. Alot will also have to do with Spitzers new plan

I hope that Spitzer cans the current Javits redesign because it's idiotic. Despite costing enormous money, it does not provide the necessary space in the necessary format (i.e., horizontal rather than vertical). Nevertheless, if Spitzer does nix the current proposal, I don't see why that should affect the hotel.

[Adyton]

I agree.. Spitzer should nix the current design. The current design has many flaws i.e., not enough space, bad access for loading & unloading events and costs way too much $1.7 billion for WHAT?

The new design should have a MINIMUM of 2 million sq. ft to compete w/Vegas and Chicago (which are even larger than 2 million). They may have to tear down the old and start new (not possible) but perhaps would be best.
Then, they could start fresh, build more quickly and build a design that goes out to the river edge like Vancouver BC or San Diego with soaring architecture. Lord, make use a beautiful location, which the current plan does not!:mad:

[Adyton]

Yes.. Christian de Portzamparc is a brilliant choice and another favorite Extell architect. I would prefer Portzamparc for the hotel as well... especially in combo with Rogers (Javit's Center) architect:D. The other two, especially Moinian, will dissappoint since it's all about money for them and design is secondary

[kliq6]

I hope that Spitzer cans the current Javits redesign because it's idiotic. Despite costing enormous money, it does not provide the necessary space in the necessary format (i.e., horizontal rather than vertical). Nevertheless, if Spitzer does nix the current proposal, I don't see why that should affect the hotel.

The funding for the hotel and the expansion is one appropriation bill, so any changes can effect alot of aspects of this, stay tuned. So far Elliot has been all talk and no action on state spending so lets see

[londonlawyer]

The funding for the hotel and the expansion is one appropriation bill, so any changes can effect alot of aspects of this, stay tuned. So far Elliot has been all talk and no action on state spending so lets see

Thanks for the info. I did not realize that these projects are related financially.

[NoyokA]

I try to stay positive too but I have a strong feeling that Monian is going to win and we will get an uninspired 58 storey hotel instead of a 90 storey one with a possible A-List architect designing it. It seems like when ever the city picks a developer it likes to pick one that is financially secure, but isn't too big, Extell has been expanding at an exponential rate, ofcourse no thought given to design or positive impact on the skyline.

[NoyokA]

Or maybe the city is afterall really interested in quality design.

Gene Kaufman and the Lam Group afterall will not build their proposed monostrosity.

http://www.lamgroupnyc.com/images/javits1.jpg

I think the best solution would be for the city to narrow down which developers they feel are capable and then the public selects the best design at a small exhibit, across the street, at the Javits.

[ablarc]

^ Gene Kaufman: even his logo's incompetent.

[Adyton]

His logo is very appropriate... the "K" is coughing up or puking an "A" :rolleyes:

[MidtownGuy]

That's disgusting design, on all counts.
unbelievable:rolleyes:

[ablarc]

I guess he fills a niche.

[lbjefferies]

Gene Kaufman needs his architecture license suspended. Disbar him!

[NYguy]

Keep in mind that all proposals can be altere...


A developer has proposed building a 90-plus-story hotel near the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, people familiar with the plans say. The tower would be the tallest hotel in the country as currently planned, rising 980 feet.

The group proposing the tower, Extell Development, is one of three entities vying for a state contract to build a huge hotel on 35th Street and Eleventh Avenue. The other two developers, said to be the Moinian Group and FaulknerUSA, are proposing towers that would rise 58 and 70 stories, respectively. All three proposals, which include between 1,200 and 1,300 rooms, could be altered before the final bids are submitted.

[TREPYE]

http://www.lamgroupnyc.com/images/javits1.jpg




How...........Putrid!

[NYguy]

Quotes from an older article....(Observer)


Get Your Bids In! Developers Crave Subsidies for Javits Hotel

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Any hotel will drink from the well of Javits conventions.

By Matthew Schuerman
the 1/8/2007 edition

Some of the biggest real-estate names, locally and nationally, are drawing up plans for a 70-story hotel across the street from the Javits Center in the West Side’s emerging Hudson Yards district, contemplating such revenue enhancers as luxury condos and retail boutiques to make the building work for them.

They’re also trying to figure out how much public subsidy they can get away with asking for.

The state officials guiding the $1.7 billion Javits Center expansion, of which the new hotel is just a part, say that it’s too early to comment on the extent—or even the possibility—of subsidies, because bids aren’t due until Jan. 12.

But their own request for proposals, issued in October, spells out seven possible subsidies that developers may wish to take advantage of and hints at an eighth: about $33 million worth of free air rights that could bring the hotel, slotted for a lot at 35th Street and 11th Avenue, up to 1.25 million square feet.

“Officials are saying that subsidies will be available,” said one individual close to the bidding. “They are saying that the least subsidy wins.”

Developers are saying that those subsidies will be much deserved.

On the one hand, the winner of the hotel contract will be virtually assured of guests without having to advertise for them and even has the option of putting luxury condominiums with stunning Hudson River views on top.

On the other hand, the developer must, according to the state’s specifications, reserve three-quarters of the rooms for conventioneers at “competitive” rates; incorporate large ballrooms; and build on a parcel spliced by an Amtrak rail line.

The developer must also build one of the first skyscrapers on Manhattan’s far West Side, in an evolving neighborhood that, for the first two or three years at least, won’t even have a subway line anywhere close.

I actually think the taller Extell proposal may have the best chance here because the city and state desperately want to draw attention to and jump start construction on the west side. Having the city's tallest hotel there would certainly do that. But the bottom line is, who needs the least subsidies...

[NYguy]

NY Press
Thursday, April 19, 2007

NYC Grows Up, Out And Over

According to an analysis from your friendly city Comptroller, Bill Thompson, our luxury metropolis is experiencing its biggest housing building boom in 30 years. The New York Post reports that officials issued building permits for 62,526 residential units in 2005 and 2006, the highest since 1971 and 1972.

And speaking of boom, Extell Development has proposed a 90-plus-story hotel to accompany the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center planned expansion. In addition, the state will soon put up 13 million square feet of residential and office space over the Hudson rail yards for bidding, the city is planning a $2.1 billion extension of the No. 7 subway and developers are negotiating with the state over plans to build a giant mixed-use project including a stadium and rail station across from Pennsylvania Station. If the city becomes home to the country’s tallest hotel, does it count for multiple building permits? If so, this 980-foot tower could make 2007 quite a doozy,

Posted by Kari Milchman at 4:30 PM

Other west side developments

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[NYguy]

Perhaps a moderator can update the thread title...

(NY Sun)

Nation's Tallest Hotel Tower May Rise in N.Y.

By ELIOT BROWN
April 19, 2007

A developer has proposed building a 90-plus-story hotel near the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, people familiar with the plans say. The tower would be the tallest hotel in the country as currently planned, rising 980 feet.

The game isn't over yet...
http://www.allbusiness.com/operations/facilities-commercial-real-estate/3962942-1.html

Moinian is out to impress with Javits hotel proposal.

By Geiger, Daniel
Real Estate Weekly
Jan 24 2007

Of the three developers that submitted plans to build a hotel across the street from the Jacob Javits Convention Center, two already have a host of projects and development sites in the far West Side neighborhood where the hotel will be located.

And while the Empire State Development Corporation, the state agency overseeing the development of the hotel, says it will weigh the different plans based strictly on their individual merits, at least one of the three developers believes that each respondent's other development activities in the district could play a role in the selection process.

Manhattan developer Joseph Moinian, who is partnering with Marriott in his proposal to build a 1,400-room convention hotel on the 11th Avenue site between 35th and 36th street, said that the state would likely prefer developers who had a higher stake in the West Side.

The hotel, along with other infrastructural improvements in the area like the extension of the No. 7 subway, is expected to play a key role in revitalizing the Javits Center, which in turn is expected to become a major stimulus in the redevelopment and economic well being of the far West Side. Moinian indicated that he is keenly aware how the trickledown could benefit the as much as 4 million s/f of space he plans to develop in the district.

Gary Barnett, president of Extell Development, who responded with a proposal for a Hyatt hotel, is similarly invested in the area where he has been one of its most active residential developers.

The hotel would be the first Manhattan project of the third respondent, Faulkner USA, a Texas based developer of both residential and commercial projects that is partnering with Hilton.

But Moinian may be in a position to leverage his activity in the district in a way that no other bidder could. Moinian purchased a site directly adjacent to where the hotel will be constructed from Verizon in 2004. That plot, located on the block between 34th and 35th, will be home to a potentially 1.5 million s/f mixed-use tower that could be connected to the hotel via a sky bridge that could be used, Moinian said, to boost the hotel's ballroom space, a mandatory component in the request for proposal issued by the state.

"We could have a ballroom in the other building as well that would link up to the hotel and increase capacity," Moinian said.

Moinian indicated that he would also be able to reroute subway entrances directly into the hotel from his 34th Street building, which sits on top of the 11th Avenue terminus of the No. 7 line extension and will have some of the station's entrances located in its base.

"I think that the state is going to look at that and really be impressed," Moinian said. "That would be a great thing for the hotel, to be able to accommodate Javits guests with subway access directly where they are staying."

[Alonzo-ny]

I thought there was a clause in trumps deal with hyatt for the commodore that they werent allowed to build anymore hotels in the city? Unless thats ancient history now?

[macreator]

I love the skybridge idea, but Moinian has an awful trackrecord on design. I'm still pushing for the 90-story proposal. It's time NYC builds big.

[Adyton]

Oh, damm... Moinian definitely has the edge up on Extell :mad: :mad: :mad:!!

This is NOT good news... we are going to get TWO subpar design structures (hotel + office tower). Plus, the Marriott typically has dull, boring, very average designs for most of its properties. The only "good" (not great) ones are its resorts and this site in NYC aint no resort property. Oh just shoot me now:(

[TREPYE]

Oh, damm... Moinian definitely has the edge up on Extell :mad: :mad: :mad:!!

This is NOT good news... we are going to get TWO subpar design structures (hotel + office tower). Plus, the Marriott typically has dull, boring, very average designs for most of its properties. The only "good" (not great) ones are its resorts and this site in NYC aint no resort property. Oh just shoot me now:(


Get used to it dude, following NYC architectural developments is a masochistic hobby.

[BrooklynRider]

I thought there was a clause in trumps deal with hyatt for the commodore that they werent allowed to build anymore hotels in the city? Unless thats ancient history now?

If I'm not mistaken, that clause has expired and Trump no longer own an interest in the Hyatt.

[pianoman11686]

They're building another Hyatt across from the NYPL on 5th Avenue right now, so I'm pretty sure that clause is gone.

[antinimby]

Building a new one or converting?

I had no idea of this one.

[pianoman11686]

Both. They were originally planning to convert the existing building to condos, but decided to make a hotel with a 4-story rooftop addition (I think). NE corner of 5th & 41st, if I remember correctly.

[1k.flyer]

I hear about this from a friend working at Extell and says they have some concerns abut making the height of the building possible! I think is marketing fluff to attracts attention...I agree with some of the posts that this is likely not going to be this tall! :confused:

[MidtownGuy]

Vegas will probably have the tallest hotel in America.

[NYguy]

Vegas will probably have the tallest hotel in America.

Possible. Nothing is certain until construction begins.

[NYguy]

I hear about this from a friend working at Extell and says they have some concerns abut making the height of the building possible! I think is marketing fluff to attracts attention...I agree with some of the posts that this is likely not going to be this tall! :confused:

There are certain requirements of the bid, however I don't recall if the winning bid is required to be built as is.

[Alonzo-ny]

Vegas will probably have the tallest hotel in America.

If you are refering to the tower by christopher milam im pretty sure the project is in major doubt. I also believe it is closer to the airport than another smaller tower which was proposed and was denied because of its height.

[NYguy]

I'm ready for a rendering. Or at least a description of all the bids.

[Derek2k3]

This plaza is a joke...

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[BrooklynRider]

A little barbed wire and a few inmates and the theme is fully realized.